Thanks for the input guys.I have a neck problem that does not allow me to put the straps over my shoulders without severe discomfort.so i wrap the straps around my waste to hold up the bib.But what a pain to take a leak i have to unzipper 2 or 3 jackets and unclip the strap from the bib.So i was out with my buddy the other day and he had the trans alaska suite from cabelas and was wearing just a sweatshirt underneath it and it was 20 degrees with the wind blowing and he was very warm.Any other ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.