#1269882 - 11/19/10 04:00 PM
3rd Rod Proposal Initiative
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I am researching state regulations as it pertains to a “multi-rod stamp” (more than 2-rods). The plan is to draft “model reg” language for a meeting with Bob Crook, CCS, in order to formulate next steps. (For previous discussions on the merits of a 3rd Rod Proposal along with the requisite trash talk LOL, see: http://www.ctfisherman.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1241581/1.html) Since it had been stated on this site that Colorado has a “mutli-rod stamp” (MRS), I started with that state. Interestingly, Colorado’s regs provide for only one rod per licensee with the opportunity to use a second rod through the purchase of a stamp. To gather more MRS information, while, also, establishing precedents’ for MRSs in other states, a list of states that have an MRS will be helpful. Does anyone know of other states with an MRS? FYI Colorado Reg Excerpts: LEGALMETHODS OF TAKE 1. ONE PERSONALLY ATTENDED LINE — Each line shall have only 3 common hooks attached. • 4. SECOND ROD STAMP—Anglers can use a second rod, handline or tip up by purchasing a second rod stamp.Anglers can buy only 1 second rod stamp per season. (a) Second rod stamps are nontransferable. (b)Asecond rod stamp is not required when only using trotlines or jugs. • K. "Personally attended line" means a rod and line, hand line, or tip up that is used for fishing and which is under the personal control of a person who is in proximity to it • 2nd Rod Stamp (Available to licensed residents, licensed nonresidents and youth under 16 years, licensed or unlicensed.) Res $5.00 Non-Res $5.00 for andof drafting language for a multi-rod (more than 2) for as an option for CT Fishing.
Edited by Tony Mel (11/19/10 05:38 PM)
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#1270039 - 11/20/10 06:35 AM
Re: 3rd Rod Proposal Initiative
[Re: Tony Mel]
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Keep in mind that seniors don't pay for their license, therefore would it be implied that the +65's automatically have the #2 rod rights?
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#1270251 - 11/21/10 09:11 AM
Re: 3rd Rod Proposal Initiative
[Re: Tony Mel]
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We need to be prepared to fight this nonsense
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"Our leaders are stupid, they are stupid people," "It's just very, very sad" - Donald Trump 2011
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#1270341 - 11/21/10 06:15 PM
Re: 3rd Rod Proposal Initiative
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#1270740 - 11/23/10 08:27 AM
Re: 3rd Rod Proposal Initiative
[Re: Pistol]
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There should be no limit on the amount of rods used as there is a limit on the amount of fish taken. So what's the difference if you use one or maybe four rods? You can keep only so many fish anyway. You can put six tip ups thru the ice so why not 6 poles in the water? Just my opinion. I agree. The objective of the 3rd Rod Proposal Initiative is to get the 2-rod limit relaxed. Currently, researching all the other state regs on the issue and will be calling select Fish and Game Depts in order to make a case for the "relaxation" in CT. The research will take a while but I'll post findings in a few months.
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#1284388 - 01/14/11 03:52 PM
Re: 3rd Rod Proposal Initiative
[Re: Tony Mel]
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A summary of STATE Regs governing “Number of Fishing Rod”, follows. I would appreciate any corrections and/or additions to the summary (Note RI, ME and VA info is missing).
Summary Legal Rod Limits............................................... States 1 rod ............... MN, 2-rods ..... CT, GA (some qualifications), IL- (3-pole trolling), IA, KS-$6.50 3rd pole permit, MA, NE, NH, NY, ND, OH, PA, VT
3-rods.... IN, NJ (from shore/silent on boat fishing), WI (3-lines/lures)
No limit specified.... AL, AR, DE, FL, KY, LA, MD, MS, MI, MO-label rods if more than 3-must be attended, MT, NC, OK, SD, TN, TX, WA-( You may not Fish with a rod not under your immediate control or leave your gear unattended), WV, WY
Two Pole Stamp....AZ- $6, CA- $13(?), CO-$5, ID-$13.75, NV $10, NM-$4, OR-$17, UT $5(?)
Anyone know the regs?..... RI (?), ME (?), VA
North Carolina... Not more than 2 of these devices may be used by any fisherman at the same time, except when fishing in a boat. An unlimited number of lawful fishing devices may be used if every boat occupant (who would normally be required to have a fishing license) possesses a valid fishing license.
The next step in this project is to build arguments/ points which will support the use of more than two-rods in CT. To make the argument, I would like to understand the rational underlying CT’s 2-rod limitation. While I could hypothesize any number of reason for the 2-rod limitation, such as, conservation, enforcement ease, safety, shoreline crowding, “other states do it”, etc, the actual underlying rational would be more productive.
Does any know of the rational for a 2-rod limitation that would have a bearing on a proposed reg for more than 2-rods?
I’ll try to attach my notes to this thread, because the various state regs have helpful tidbits of information and phraseology which can be used in a CT proposed regs. For an example a proposed reg could be:
Up to 4-rods maybe used by any fisherman, providing each rod is labeled with the fisherman’s name and address and is under the fisherman’s immediate control. No shoreline fisherman can occupy more than 5-feet of shoreline per rod. When fishing from a boat, an unlimited number of lawful fishing devices may be used if every boat occupant (who would normally be required to have a fishing license) possesses a valid fishing license.
If conservation were an issues were an obstacle a compromise for catch and release may be introduced, such us, 2-rod limit unless a fisherman practices catch and release then 4-rods per fisherman may be used.
At this point discussion and speculation as to a proposed reg is way ahead of where the thought process should be.
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#1306871 - 04/12/11 05:16 PM
Re: 3rd Rod Proposal Initiative
[Re: Tony Mel]
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FYI
I am working with Bob Crook, CCS on this proposal. He is advancing the following to the CAC. See email below:
Hi Bob,
Thanks for introducing a “multi-rod” use proposal to the CAC. As you know, CT Regs restricts a fisherman to 2-rods. While this restriction is not an issue for many fly, bass and casting fisherman, it is restrictive to some carp, bank and trolling fisherman.
I have researched the Regs for most of the states on this subject. The following is a brief synopsis of the research and a North Carolina Reg from which I crafted a rough draft proposal follows
1. AL, AR, DE, FL, KY, LA, MD, MS, MI, MO-label rods if more than 3-must be attended, MT, NC, OK, SD, TN, TX, WA-( You may not Fish with a rod not under your immediate control or leave your gear unattended), WV, WY
2. North Carolina: Not more than 2 of rods may be used by any fisherman at the same time, except when fishing in a boat. An unlimited number of lawful fishing devices may be used if every boat occupant (who would normally be required to have a fishing License) possesses a valid fishing license.
3. Rough Draft CT Proposal: Up to 4-rods maybe used by licensed fisherman, providing each rod is labeled with the fisherman’s name and address and is under the fisherman’s immediate control. (similar to ice fishing). No shoreline fisherman can occupy more than 5-feet of shoreline per rod. When fishing from a boat, an unlimited number of lawful fishing devices may be used if every boat occupant (who would normally be required to have a fishing License) possesses a valid fishing license.
Bob, to be clear our sportsmen’s interest is not to catch more fish for the table. The interest in a multi-rod Reg is to allow “catch and release” sportsmen to more fully enjoy the “search and hunt” aspect of fishing. If conservation concerns were an obstacle,a compromise for catch and release could be introduced, such us, 2-rod limit unless a fisherman practices catch and release (then 4-rods per fisherman may be used).
Thanks again,
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#1307280 - 04/14/11 08:34 AM
Re: 3rd Rod Proposal Initiative
[Re: Tony Mel]
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Sent the following to Bob Crook: Hi Bob, One of our CT Fisherman site members reports that PA is in process of liberalizing the "2-rod fishing". Of interest to, note the PA addresses administrative cost and "fish-catch " issues. While PA's change speaks to the use of 3-rods, our proposal is seeking up to 4-rods, primarily to accommodate the art and enjoyment of fisherman who troll and/or fish for carp. To be clear, our goal is not to catch more fish for the table it is to enhance the "search and hunt" aspects of our respective sports and to that end we would be willing to accept restrictions on 'catch and release" rules when more than 2-rods are in use, plus, any other rules that would ease an administrative burden on the DEP. If you require me or anyone from our group to speak to a regulating committee we are egar to participate. Please, see web address below for the proposal. http://fishandboat.com/rulemakings/224nprp.pdfNotice of Proposed Rulemaking COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA PENNSYLVANIA FISH AND BOAT COMMISSION Title 58. Recreation Part II. Fish and Boat Commission Chapter 63 Fishing -- Thank you, Tony Melito 72 Timberwood Rd. West Hartford, CT 06117
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#1319486 - 05/24/11 01:38 PM
Re: 3rd Rod Proposal Initiative
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It amazes me all the constructive input..........
elcapitanmas, thanks for your support. But, please permit me to clarify, this initiative is a proposal in-progress that works towards a relaxation in the regs,which limits a fisherman to 2-poles. It is not leading with a rod stamp. We are at a point for those who want to make constructive input to step up with support. Bob Crook has moved the proposal to William Hyatt, DEP’s Chief of the Bureau of Natural Resource. Bob asked that he call me and suggested I call him which I have. As I view it, the proposal has a small toe in the door of a well meaning bureaucratic process. But the proposal calls for change and if we are to move forward we need to demonstrate “numbers” of interest. To date I have identified trollers, carp fisherman, cat fisherman and bank fisherman as the key beneficiaries to this initiative. If you support this initiative either as a direct beneficiary or sportsman willing to lend support, please PM me. I’ll need to build a list of group support and eventually a petition. The rational is sound and precedents exist in other states. IN CT success hinges on a “number” from each of you. Through each individuals constructive input this initiative will succeed. Bob Crook opines that a reg change is a non-political process, so the DEP is our first avenue for effort and if successful will take 1-year.
Edited by Tony Mel (05/24/11 02:12 PM)
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#1319888 - 05/25/11 10:19 PM
Re: 3rd Rod Proposal Initiative
[Re: edaves]
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I fish several places best described as community holes, The last thing those places need is anglers allowed more than 2 rods Seems like a reasonable concern. What are the names and/or type of ponds/lakes that you are fishing that are cause for concern. Acreage? Bank? Small access points?
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#1320080 - 05/26/11 02:48 PM
Re: 3rd Rod Proposal Initiative
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to start off with you wanna start it at $5 so the state will start it at $8...... 4 rods you just doudled your chances of hooking a fish in a way that would kill it ....... with more rods on the shoreline say like at squantz every day / nihgt of fishing would be like a kids fishing derby ....#4 lets talk safty here more rods trolling ..... i dont think there is a safe way to operate a boat and more than 2 rods safely (and lets face it CT has had more than its share of boating accidents with out you wanting more rods)JUST MY 2 CENTS LOL
You are missing the point that when 1 person is in a boat he can only use 2 rods - I want to use 3 or 4 when I am fishing alone.
And to tell you the truth - since it's optional I don't care if they want to charge me dbl my current license to run dbl the poles.
When trolling in a boat a 4 pole spread increases the effectiveness of the troll enough where I would pay it. Considering the amount of money I already have invested in the sport.
I don't understand the negative reasonings...
1. if need by restrict to trolling 2. price - who cares, the ones who want to pay will the others won't poolpaul and firehawk, I appreciate your input. This is an old thread. The discussion should be on the thread pertaining to the DEP discussion, "4-rod" option. I'll be moving your input over to the current thread with my following commentary. First there is no issue re fees being raised or rod stamps. A reg change is done by the DEP and fees are controlled by the legislature. Ranting about the state taking our money is just ranting in this instance. To be clear, the state does have the "people's power" to raise taxes and fees, but our little reg change proposal will not even make a spec of dust on the revenue raising radar screen, and would cost more to implement than the revenue it would generate. Put the "Big Brother" paranoia to rest. We need more input from shore fisherman. If over crowding on our fresh water shores is a major issue for crowd control and safety then firehawks suggestion of restricting the option to trolling has merit. For those that understand trolling at 1,2,3 miles/hour, one person can handle 4-rods with ease and safety. However, there is a group of "non-meat" sportsman fisherman who would be harmed by not having an option to fish with more than 2-rods. They demonstrate high sportsmanship values and regard for their prey. They are the carp fisherman. We need to hear from them on this thread, before we focus the 4-rod initiative on trollers only.
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