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#1319861 - 05/25/11 09:00 PM 4 Rod Initiative-DEP Supportive
Tony Mel Offline

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I am starting a new thread for this initiative. I’d like this to be a working thread, so, please read the following, : A. Rough draft email proposal that DEP discussed today, May 25th B. DEP responsiveness and support C. Next steps shared by Bill Hyatt, DEP Bureau Chief D. What you can do!


A. Rough Draft CT Proposal:

Up to 4-rods maybe used by licensed fisherman, providing each rod is labeled with the fisherman’s name and address and is under the fisherman’s immediate control. (similar to ice fishing). No shoreline fisherman can occupy more than 5-feet of shoreline per rod.

B. The responsiveness and support from the DEP has been astounding. On Bob Crooks suggestion (and his support), I placed a call to Bill Hyatt, Bureau Chief yesterday and I got a call from a DEP Deputy and fellow CTFer, Bill Gerrish, today. BillG called for background information and told me he would be discussing the proposal with Hyatt and Director Arrestad. BillG’s call was at 2 PM and and Hyatt called me at 4 PM.

C. Hyatt said that a 2-rod limit was a convention and in their meeting could foresee no obstacles to a reg change. However, as part of the process the DEP presents a reg change to the FAC (Fishing Advisory Council) for commentary. The FAC is comprised of leaders from various fishing organizations. ( As I recall Mitch P is a member of the FAC). The FAC meets in June.

D.

#21 Please, express your support for a “4 ROD REG CHANGE” in this thread and ask your fishing buddies to consider the reg change merits and post their support either for their interest or for the interest of their fellow sportsmen.

#2. This thread could serve as a sounding board for the FAC's consideration. Please express your opposition to a reg change and provide a heplful reason, because a "4-rod" reg change should be a win-win and not imperil the experience of other fisherman.

To date I have elcaptainas, pistol, vince s and mike g. I know that there are many trollers, carp and cat fisherman and bank fisherman who will enhance their fishing experience by having an option to fish with 4-rods. I will keep a running list of supporters in this thread.


Please use this thread for constructive input.


Edited by Tony Mel (06/24/11 09:31 AM)

Our lakes, rivers and streams are borrowed from our children.

Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after.
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#1319862 - 05/25/11 09:00 PM Re: 4 Rod Initiative-DEP Supportive [Re: Tony Mel]
Tony Mel Offline

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4-Rod Reg Change Supporters:

1.elcaptainmas
2.pistol
3. vince s
4. mike g.
5. fishingbum
6. Wilderness_dave
7. KillTaker
8. firehawk
9. skytrapper
10.Blaine
11.Fishfinger
12.Tony Mel
13.orviskid
14.Jack
15.JimFish
16.Rocketman
17.OBASS
18.FishnTechnician
19. Steve76
20. Trout Tracker
21. know doubt
22. Doug S
23. SaxMatt
24. Jerome
25. MisterMeaner
26. BRShuntfish
27.
28.


Edited by Tony Mel (06/21/11 04:55 PM)

Our lakes, rivers and streams are borrowed from our children.

Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after.
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#1319958 - 05/26/11 08:43 AM Re: 4 Rod Initiative-DEP Supportive [Re: Tony Mel]
Tony Mel Offline

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Carrying over a constructive post from "3rd rod" thread:

Originally Posted By: edaves
I fish several places best described as community holes, The last thing those places need is anglers allowed more than 2 rods


Seems like a reasonable concern. What are the names and/or type of ponds/lakes that you are fishing that are cause for concern. Acreage? Bank? Small access points?

Our lakes, rivers and streams are borrowed from our children.

Many men go fishing all of their lives without knowing it is not fish they are after.
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#1319995 - 05/26/11 09:57 AM Re: 4 Rod Initiative-DEP Supportive [Re: Tony Mel]
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I am all for this this proposal. It will open many new types of angling opportunity for us here in CT.

"Political correctness is tyranny with manners."
- Charlton Heston (1924-2008)
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#1319998 - 05/26/11 10:11 AM Re: 4 Rod Initiative-DEP Supportive [Re: Tony Mel]
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Quote:
I am all for this this proposal. It will open many new types of angling opportunity for us here in CT.


what he said...I'm onboard.
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#1320007 - 05/26/11 10:32 AM Re: 4 Rod Initiative-DEP Supportive [Re: Tony Mel]
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Tony, One place that would be hurt by anglers using more than 2 rods is Brown Park in Norwich. Anglers fish off the dock and at times even using 2 rods cause issues. Several times in the past anglers fishing that spot don't how to play well with others have caused problems, twice I've made calls to DEP tip line because tempers were flaring and to appease those who wanted to take the law into their own hands.
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#1320053 - 05/26/11 12:21 PM Re: 4 Rod Initiative-DEP Supportive [Re: edaves]
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Originally Posted By: edaves
Tony, One place that would be hurt by anglers using more than 2 rods is Brown Park in Norwich. Anglers fish off the dock and at times even using 2 rods cause issues. Several times in the past anglers fishing that spot don't how to play well with others have caused problems, twice I've made calls to DEP tip line because tempers were flaring and to appease those who wanted to take the law into their own hands.


Thanks for response. How would you propose modifying the reg change and still serve the interest of carp fisherman and trollers?

Is the dock you are referring to salt water. Is it locally or state controlled?

If we restricted the number of rods by size of water and/or access points, do you have a suggestion as to wordsmithing.

Thanks in advance


Edited by Tony Mel (06/05/11 08:27 PM)

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#1320084 - 05/26/11 02:51 PM Re: 4 Rod Initiative-DEP Supportive [Re: Tony Mel]
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Following is copied from another thread.

Originally Posted By: poolpaul
to start off with you wanna start it at $5 so the state will start it at $8...... 4 rods you just doudled your chances of hooking a fish in a way that would kill it ....... with more rods on the shoreline say like at squantz every day / nihgt of fishing would be like a kids fishing derby ....#4 lets talk safty here more rods trolling ..... i dont think there is a safe way to operate a boat and more than 2 rods safely (and lets face it CT has had more than its share of boating accidents with out you wanting more rods)JUST MY 2 CENTS



Originally Posted By: firehawk
LOL

You are missing the point that when 1 person is in a boat he can only use 2 rods - I want to use 3 or 4 when I am fishing alone.

And to tell you the truth - since it's optional I don't care if they want to charge me dbl my current license to run dbl the poles.

When trolling in a boat a 4 pole spread increases the effectiveness of the troll enough where I would pay it. Considering the amount of money I already have invested in the sport.

I don't understand the negative reasonings...

1. if need by restrict to trolling
2. price - who cares, the ones who want to pay will the others won't


poolpaul and firehawk, I appreciate your input.

This is an old thread. The discussion should be on the thread pertaining to the DEP discussion, "4-rod" option. I'll be moving your input over to the current thread with my following commentary.


First there is no issue re fees being raised or rod stamps. A reg change is done by the DEP and fees are controlled by the legislature. Ranting about the state taking our money is just ranting in this instance. To be clear, the state does have the "people's power" to raise taxes and fees, but our little reg change proposal will not even make a spec of dust on the revenue raising radar screen, and would cost more to implement than the revenue it would generate. Put the "Big Brother" paranoia to rest.

We need more input from bank fisherman. If over crowding on our fresh water shores is a major issue for crowd control and safety then firehawks suggestion of restricting the option to trolling has merit. For those that understand trolling at 1,2,3 miles/hour, one person can handle 4-rods with ease and safety.

However, there is a group of "non-meat" sportsman fisherman who would be harmed by not having an option to fish with more than 2-rods. They demonstrate high sportsmanship values and regard for their prey. They are the carp fisherman. We need to hear from them on this thread, before we focus the 4-rod initiative on trollers only.


Edited by Tony Mel (05/26/11 03:45 PM)

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#1320091 - 05/26/11 03:28 PM Re: 4 Rod Initiative-DEP Supportive [Re: Tony Mel]
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We also really need the support of local tackle shops as well . Twice as many rods will mean twice as much bait ,tackle and other equipment for us to purchase from them.So it would be a great thing for them.

"Political correctness is tyranny with manners."
- Charlton Heston (1924-2008)
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#1320095 - 05/26/11 04:21 PM Re: 4 Rod Initiative-DEP Supportive [Re: Tony Mel]
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Tony,

First off, I am an all-water, all-types fisherman. I think the proposal to increase the allowable rods from 2 to 4 is awesome.

I will say that I vehemently disagree with the stipulation that the rods must be labeled. I do not want to add anything to my rod/rods that is not already there. I think this is different than ice-fishing, in that you will be right on top manning all your rods at all times. In ice-fishing there can be a number of fisherman intermixed, and it makes sense to identify the tip-ups. Also, I take a lot of friends out and go out on a lot of other friends' boats. I don't want to relabel crap every time we change something or someone up. Just more bureaucratic restrictions.


In addition (I understand it is not currently written into the proposal), I do NOT support in any way a proposal that has a fee attached to it.


I do appreciate you work in this initiative.

Thanks
KT
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