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#1385080 - 01/18/12 09:58 PM Flipping and Pitching rods?
TimGwiaz Offline

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I've always wanted to get into some flipping and jigging since i've seen many anglers do well with this technique. I'm looking for some advice on the best rod to use length and action. Rather than search for hours on google i figured i would ask the ctf members that have some real experience this this technique to see what everyone likes and prefers. All answers will be greatly appreciated, thanks.
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#1385121 - 01/19/12 05:39 AM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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How about a few more qualifiers.

What lure weights will you be using?
What type of line and lb test will you be using?
Where will you be using it, docks , rock structure, vegetation?
How tall are you?
Baitcasting or spinning?
What is your rod $ budget?

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#1385128 - 01/19/12 07:06 AM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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id recomend a 7 foot rod, and not only because the extra foot allows you to pick up that much more line quicker on the hookset (huge advantage, tim). your about 5'10" if i remember, and a rod of that size wont seem awkwardly long.

Ray Z is right on- nowadays flipping can be done in the think stuff, or it can be done with light line in and around docks and other odstructions less likey to wrap up your line with bulky weeds or pads. to me flippin style fishing means slop: pads, heavy matted weeds or big tangles of trees.

i only use casting gear, and i fish 30 pound braid. this does get broken off, as a 3 pound largemouth with an inclination to do so can and will bolt enough to get that braid around a snag, and snap it. the line size is more for being able to fish the cover than it is for landing the fish size, as your chances of encountering a 30 pound class largemouth around here are relativelty low.

tim, the nice thing if you go with a 7 foot baitcaster and some 20-50 pound braid is that when the striped bass run up the rivers, you dont need a different rod. ive beaten some 40-42 inch class stripers on that rod, and every winning and trophy blackfish ive ever caught has come on my flipping stick.

its more about drag and having a good action in the rod. i use a falcon graphite lo-rider thats med heavy and designed for carolina rigs, but works well with the heavier lines despite its relative slenderness. not the lightest rod i won, but its awesome. the falcon Cara rods out now are the same.

if you flip light gear thats a whole new ballgame i dont have any input on.

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#1385153 - 01/19/12 08:23 AM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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I’d agree with Ray Z on his questions. Ray make me a custom flipping rod after I answered all of his questions and it is a fantastic rod.

You can trust all of Mike’s input on the heavy gear since he’s a master at it.

I do a lot of light line flipping and would recommend going with a seven foot spinning rod in med-heavy action. The longer rod definitely results in more hookups. Until a couple of years ago I was using a six foot rod and was missing a lot of fish. O-Bass suggested the longer rod and it really paid off. I use 8lb. mono or fluorocarbon depending on the water conditions. I think any good reel would be fine. Most of the time I’m pitching with a 1/16 or 1/8 oz. weight.

Just my input

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#1385166 - 01/19/12 09:15 AM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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Rod: 7'6" - 8'er H or XH action
Reel: 7:1 ratio or higher w- low mass spool to help pitch the lighter baits.
Line: 20-25# mono/FC for all around or 50-80# braid if dealing with matted veggies/chesnuts/pads etc.

You can experiment with short e.g. < 7'6" rods, spinning gear, and light line, but the above is what is best suited to the very large majority of situations that demand this type of presentation.
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#1385175 - 01/19/12 09:31 AM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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I'm 5-6 and use a 7 1/2 foot heavy action flipping stick just fine. If you're going to fish heavy weeds you need all the leverage you can get to hoist them out. A good high speed reel is also needed to move as much line as possible when first hooking a good fish and get it heading your way. Heavy slop demands heavy equiptment. I also use braid to help cut through weeds. Flipping and pitching docks or light weeds or weed edges you can use much lighter gear, floro is my go to line for those conditions. I hope Jon Pski tunes in to this subject.


Edited by tommy (01/19/12 09:36 AM)
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#1385189 - 01/19/12 10:07 AM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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i agree Tommy, I love my casting 7'11" H Kistler and my 7'4" XH Zillion for flipping/pitching and I am only 5'8". I don't think your height matters that much, you just have to get use to the longer rod, once you do, it will give you an advantage over the fish.

What is your budget? That will also help to point you in the right direction. If you are on a tight budget but can swing $100, check out the BPS XPS Extreme rods. I have 3 of them and I love them. Great value for your buck.
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#1385238 - 01/19/12 12:32 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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Two things to consider, ACTION designates how the rod bends and recovers, a Fast Action rod mostly bends in the top third of the rod and recovers faster than a Moderate action one and recovery corrresponds to rod speed. The speed of the line is a major factor in a good hook set, even more so than rod POWER that relates to overall rod stiffness, a Fast Action Medium power rod will move more line faster than a Slow action Heavy power rated rod of the same length.

The reason I mention your height is due to the length of your arm as most flippers don't like the handle extending past the elbow and longer rods have a tendency to have longer handles, and shorter fishermen, shorter forearms.

Just a couple of things to consider when you buy your nest rod.

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#1385263 - 01/19/12 01:55 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: RayZCT]
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Ray, all i can really say is that i'm looking for a nice all around beginning rod i've never done this before and don't know how well i'll do using this technique. But what i can tell you in i'm 5'6 i want the rod for a baitcaster, and the most i could spend on a rod would be about $200 right about now. I will most likely be using this around heavy weeds and thick tree coverage like O-bass said. The only thing i don't know is the lure weight cause i don't know what's most effective and i don't know what line test will be best most likely around 30 lbs.
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#1385264 - 01/19/12 01:58 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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Thanks for all your answers i've used them to help me answer Ray.
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#1385291 - 01/19/12 03:24 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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Tim if you have 2 hundred, check out the BPS XPS rods. You could get both a H and XH rod for 200$. I like having both pending on what I throwing and the type of cover i am fishing. But if you are looking for premium rod, Zillions are hard to beat imo.
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#1385305 - 01/19/12 03:53 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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Wow not sure where to start here. First I don't want anybody to feel like i'm poking fun at what they use or do. Lets start with the reel. For me a baitcaster is a winch made for heavy line (more then 10lb) so this is a must for me. Yes braid has made using smallier line diameter a opion. With this said a spinning reel (again for me) is out of the question. A flipping switch allows you to let line out in a case where depth change comes up fast. The rod. The rod for me needs to be as long as it can. (tourney fishing 7'11 is the biggest you can use). I always used a 7'6 till one day got my hands on a 7"11 and this made a huge diffence. This allows me to cover a larger area away from the boat. If you want to flip the outside weed edge or middle or inside its easy to do with the longer rod plus you can hold more line in your hands with it. High speed reels are important because lets say your in heavy pads you do want the fish when hooked to be able to travel in any direction because there are weeds which will only limit your changes of getting him in. I think of it like ice fishing want the fish to come up the same hole the line went down. I know this sounds like alot for someone who dosn't FLIP alot. Pitching is something totally diffent. Like RayZ said the rod power and action means everything here.

Sorry so long but its something you need to master and it takes alot of time on the water to do so.

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#1385322 - 01/19/12 05:15 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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wow that was alot of useful information karate kid and bass addict i'll definately check out those rods it seems like a good deal and something you highly recommend.
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#1385377 - 01/19/12 08:13 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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I use a 7'6" St Croix Mojo Stick with a Diawa Zillion Bait Caster.I'm 6'1" Tall. 30lb Braid with 10/20 mono leader depending on what I'm fishing. Those posting before me have a hell of a lot more experience in all aspects of Bass Fishing than I but from a new guys perspective;

Don't give up. It can get frustrating but once you learn it the rewards can be fascinating. I've seen 5+ Lb's pulled from weed mats so thick you could almost walk on it. But you have to get the jig through it then retrieve it.

Example - 3rd week in December Larry "Unknown Angler" invites me out to Lilly! Flipping 3/4-1 oz Black Blue Jigs he pulls in 1/2 every stop we made. Me notta! After about 7 fish he corrects my technique. 2nd pitch my rod tip hits the water. The fish runs under a tree and my leader snaps. "But" with proper technique now being used I at least took a decent hit before calling it a day.

All the best equipment in the world won't catch you more fish. Practice, patience and technique will. (equipment is important but.) This year I plan on concentrating on flipping, pitching and skipping jigs!

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#1385382 - 01/19/12 08:48 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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Once you decide on the rod and reel. Set up a practice pad in a large open room or in your yard. Load up a rod with a 1/2 Oz jig and trailer. Get a pallet or something to raise yourself a half foot or so off the ground. Set five or more targets at about the same distance from you in different directions. Practice hitting the targets, and then set them a little farther to increase your accuracy. When you get accurate set cups in the spots and flip into the cups. Its a good thing to do in the winter.
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#1385385 - 01/19/12 08:57 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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Ahhahaha! @ Mattman Thats what I did in my back yard than progressed to the pool! My wife thought I was nuts! LOL

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I'll refrain from debating that topic with you! That would make us both idiots. "You Are Doing Just Fine By Yourself." "You Can't Fix Stupid"
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#1385567 - 01/20/12 03:20 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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thats a great idea i'll have to do that to heighten my skills thanks
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#1385569 - 01/20/12 03:33 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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I can't say enough good things about the BPS rods.
I love mine, and they can get the job done.

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#1385603 - 01/20/12 06:32 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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Personally I believe that Powell rods are the best bang for the buck. Check them out at Tackle warehouse

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#1385612 - 01/20/12 07:24 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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Tim when you get all set up I can show you how to flip and pitch.
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#1385645 - 01/20/12 08:34 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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thanks everyone for the advice this is killer, i now think i can decided on the rod im gonna get just gonna have to go shopping for em, thanks a lot.
and ryan i'll hit you up for a lesson or two haha.
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#1385651 - 01/20/12 08:41 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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Timmy before you buy a rod set up WAIT till the swapmeet and save some cash

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#1385714 - 01/21/12 09:05 AM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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Dobyns rods makes really nice pitching/flipping sticks. I would recommend the savvy ss735c. This is a 7'3" 1/4-1-1/2 oz. rod that is very versatile for pitching/ flipping. You can also fish a frog and swim baits with this rod. I would start out with a rod like this until you get familiar with the technique and then later on you can buy a true flipping stick which is used for short range casts and getting fish out of the heaviest cover. These rods retail for 169.99 and for the price they are the lightest, well balanced rods compared to other rods in that price point. Plus if you are going to pay that kind of money for a rod its nice to have one that can fish multiple techniques. Go to www.dobynsrods.com or tacklewarehouse.com to buy or Newtown Bait and Tackle is a dealer and can order you one.
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#1385779 - 01/21/12 02:01 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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I plan on it bill but the other day dicks had a sale on the quantum tour edition bait caster i got it for 100 bucks (originally 270), so if they have another big sale on a nice rod i could use for flipping i figured i better get some kind of an idea on what i'll need.

I'll have to take a look on that website, thanks
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#1386018 - 01/22/12 02:59 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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I think another inportant piece of equipment is a talon or power pole Thayers is putting a talon on my boat as we speak.

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#1386204 - 01/23/12 12:14 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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You've been given some great advice above. Pitching is a strong technique BUT, it typically takes a lot of practice to get the cast down nicely. The underhand pitch motion fortunatly though is something you can practice on year round in your yard. I would suggest you attempt to keep your pitches to about the 20 foot range until you get it down well. Once you get the rythm of that cast, you can then try for more distance. Accuracy with pitching is generally very much enhanced once you get well with it. With enough practice, you'll be able to put a 1/2 oz jig between the edge of a dock and the boat moored to it from 40 feet away and, break the cobwebs which indicates nobody else has put a bait there in awhile.

I've been able to pitch with several different rods but for me, a flexible tip enhances my accuracy. I can pitch well with my 6'-6" heavy St Croix that I usually use for casting a jig but I lose accuracy due to not having enough tip action. The bait tends to go high and "lob" in rather than maintaining a nice low trajectory to the water. So, I usually rely on my old Team Diawa, Denny Brauer 7'-6" flipping rod. This is a MH, fast action that is spooled with 17# fluorocarbon. This rod gets the nod in most situations. I see in the recent Bass Pro Shops cataloug that Diawa has a "T" series rod at MH fast, which is supposed to replicate this old classic. At under $100, I'm going to be taking a look at it.

As for true flipping, although I use the Team Diawa set up, I have a 7'-11" St Croix Tournament Legend rod in a heavy power, moderate action that is a beast in the weeds. As our local waters have been having their aquatic vegetation decimated, I tend to only use this rod in certain situations. Candlewood, Lakeville, and Champlain will always see the big blue rod. One feature of this rod is the first guide is set about 3 feet from the reel seat while most other rods have their first guide set at about 2 feet. This plays a role in true flipping as your are usually going to grab the line before the first guide (though you can grab the line between the first and second guide for some extra distance). In flipping, you usually want the bait to fall straight after it hits the water and until you get REAL good at it, you are generally limited to an area about twice the length of the rod. So, I've got a nearly 8' rod, this gives me a 16' flipping radius. But, as I want my bait to fall verticlly, I have to take into account the water depth I'm flipping. IF I allow my bait to hit bottom (not always neccasary)and the water is 6' deep my flip is only going to be 2' to 4' from my rod tip. Which is only about ten feet from the boat. Now the good thing is, as long as your not stomping on the trolling motor, on and off, and the bass are buried in the grass, you can get really close to them without spooking them. Boat control becomes another learning issue with pitching and flipping.

Now, outside of the ability to use pitching and flipping for pin point accuarcy, these techiques also allow you to have increased sensitivity of your bait and, extreme control of the hook set and the fish once hooked due to the distance of line you have out. This brings me to your line of choice. Many folks prefer braid on their flipping set ups. Braid is simply awesome for slicing through the thick grass where your going to use this casting method but, it comes with a downfall also. My 7'-11" rod is VERY strong and so is the braid. Together, they have very little give. I was brought up to use a monster hook set. Generally, if I don't rock the boat with my hook set, I'm not satisfied that I stuck the fish well. Well, with using braid on that heavy rod, I was only hooking up on maybe 50% of my strikes. To counter that, I moved to 20 or 25# fluro and my hook up ratio went WAY up to about 90-95%. This simple change in line convinced me that MY set up, combined with MY hook set, was too much. The move to Fluorocarbon solved it. That little bit of extra give compensated for my hook set.

One last note on the long rod. For ME, a flipping/pitching rod with a jig or creature is awesome on a long cast and or deep water. The combination of little to no strech + the additional amount of line you can move with the long rod usually ensures a good hook set. The amount of big smallmouth on Candlewood working that deep weed edge, or dragging a 1 oz jig in 15 fow at Champlain, has brought a huge amount of fish to my boat that I don't think I would have stuck and boated with lesser tackle.
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#1386260 - 01/23/12 03:23 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: Jon Pski]
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Originally Posted By: Jon Pski
a flipping/pitching rod with a jig or creature is awesome on a long cast and or deep water.


Agree. I can't recall the last time throwing a jig or creature on anything but a flipping stick.

BTW - Those vintage MH Denny Brauer rods are a collector's item now. I picked a few up after he let me try one of his out on the river back in the early 90's. They were pitching machines.
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#1386277 - 01/23/12 03:57 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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Jon all i can say is wow!!! that had so much information in it its fricken great. Thank you so much now when i go to get my rod i can use all this info to help me thanks alot.
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#1386279 - 01/23/12 04:06 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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Jon's a pitcher and has never flipped a day of his life.... stirthepot kiss

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#1386317 - 01/23/12 06:29 PM Re: Flipping and Pitching rods? [Re: TimGwiaz]
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LOL Mr Kid. I do actually prefer pitching over flipping but flipping has treated me pretty well over the years.
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