#1385121 - 01/19/12 05:39 AM
Re: Flipping and Pitching rods?
[Re: TimGwiaz]
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How about a few more qualifiers.
What lure weights will you be using? What type of line and lb test will you be using? Where will you be using it, docks , rock structure, vegetation? How tall are you? Baitcasting or spinning? What is your rod $ budget?
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#1385128 - 01/19/12 07:06 AM
Re: Flipping and Pitching rods?
[Re: TimGwiaz]
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Time to find out...
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id recomend a 7 foot rod, and not only because the extra foot allows you to pick up that much more line quicker on the hookset (huge advantage, tim). your about 5'10" if i remember, and a rod of that size wont seem awkwardly long.
Ray Z is right on- nowadays flipping can be done in the think stuff, or it can be done with light line in and around docks and other odstructions less likey to wrap up your line with bulky weeds or pads. to me flippin style fishing means slop: pads, heavy matted weeds or big tangles of trees.
i only use casting gear, and i fish 30 pound braid. this does get broken off, as a 3 pound largemouth with an inclination to do so can and will bolt enough to get that braid around a snag, and snap it. the line size is more for being able to fish the cover than it is for landing the fish size, as your chances of encountering a 30 pound class largemouth around here are relativelty low.
tim, the nice thing if you go with a 7 foot baitcaster and some 20-50 pound braid is that when the striped bass run up the rivers, you dont need a different rod. ive beaten some 40-42 inch class stripers on that rod, and every winning and trophy blackfish ive ever caught has come on my flipping stick.
its more about drag and having a good action in the rod. i use a falcon graphite lo-rider thats med heavy and designed for carolina rigs, but works well with the heavier lines despite its relative slenderness. not the lightest rod i won, but its awesome. the falcon Cara rods out now are the same.
if you flip light gear thats a whole new ballgame i dont have any input on.
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#1385238 - 01/19/12 12:32 PM
Re: Flipping and Pitching rods?
[Re: TimGwiaz]
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Two things to consider, ACTION designates how the rod bends and recovers, a Fast Action rod mostly bends in the top third of the rod and recovers faster than a Moderate action one and recovery corrresponds to rod speed. The speed of the line is a major factor in a good hook set, even more so than rod POWER that relates to overall rod stiffness, a Fast Action Medium power rod will move more line faster than a Slow action Heavy power rated rod of the same length.
The reason I mention your height is due to the length of your arm as most flippers don't like the handle extending past the elbow and longer rods have a tendency to have longer handles, and shorter fishermen, shorter forearms.
Just a couple of things to consider when you buy your nest rod.
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#1385714 - 01/21/12 09:05 AM
Re: Flipping and Pitching rods?
[Re: TimGwiaz]
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Dobyns rods makes really nice pitching/flipping sticks. I would recommend the savvy ss735c. This is a 7'3" 1/4-1-1/2 oz. rod that is very versatile for pitching/ flipping. You can also fish a frog and swim baits with this rod. I would start out with a rod like this until you get familiar with the technique and then later on you can buy a true flipping stick which is used for short range casts and getting fish out of the heaviest cover. These rods retail for 169.99 and for the price they are the lightest, well balanced rods compared to other rods in that price point. Plus if you are going to pay that kind of money for a rod its nice to have one that can fish multiple techniques. Go to www.dobynsrods.com or tacklewarehouse.com to buy or Newtown Bait and Tackle is a dealer and can order you one.
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#1386204 - 01/23/12 12:14 PM
Re: Flipping and Pitching rods?
[Re: TimGwiaz]
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You've been given some great advice above. Pitching is a strong technique BUT, it typically takes a lot of practice to get the cast down nicely. The underhand pitch motion fortunatly though is something you can practice on year round in your yard. I would suggest you attempt to keep your pitches to about the 20 foot range until you get it down well. Once you get the rythm of that cast, you can then try for more distance. Accuracy with pitching is generally very much enhanced once you get well with it. With enough practice, you'll be able to put a 1/2 oz jig between the edge of a dock and the boat moored to it from 40 feet away and, break the cobwebs which indicates nobody else has put a bait there in awhile.
I've been able to pitch with several different rods but for me, a flexible tip enhances my accuracy. I can pitch well with my 6'-6" heavy St Croix that I usually use for casting a jig but I lose accuracy due to not having enough tip action. The bait tends to go high and "lob" in rather than maintaining a nice low trajectory to the water. So, I usually rely on my old Team Diawa, Denny Brauer 7'-6" flipping rod. This is a MH, fast action that is spooled with 17# fluorocarbon. This rod gets the nod in most situations. I see in the recent Bass Pro Shops cataloug that Diawa has a "T" series rod at MH fast, which is supposed to replicate this old classic. At under $100, I'm going to be taking a look at it.
As for true flipping, although I use the Team Diawa set up, I have a 7'-11" St Croix Tournament Legend rod in a heavy power, moderate action that is a beast in the weeds. As our local waters have been having their aquatic vegetation decimated, I tend to only use this rod in certain situations. Candlewood, Lakeville, and Champlain will always see the big blue rod. One feature of this rod is the first guide is set about 3 feet from the reel seat while most other rods have their first guide set at about 2 feet. This plays a role in true flipping as your are usually going to grab the line before the first guide (though you can grab the line between the first and second guide for some extra distance). In flipping, you usually want the bait to fall straight after it hits the water and until you get REAL good at it, you are generally limited to an area about twice the length of the rod. So, I've got a nearly 8' rod, this gives me a 16' flipping radius. But, as I want my bait to fall verticlly, I have to take into account the water depth I'm flipping. IF I allow my bait to hit bottom (not always neccasary)and the water is 6' deep my flip is only going to be 2' to 4' from my rod tip. Which is only about ten feet from the boat. Now the good thing is, as long as your not stomping on the trolling motor, on and off, and the bass are buried in the grass, you can get really close to them without spooking them. Boat control becomes another learning issue with pitching and flipping.
Now, outside of the ability to use pitching and flipping for pin point accuarcy, these techiques also allow you to have increased sensitivity of your bait and, extreme control of the hook set and the fish once hooked due to the distance of line you have out. This brings me to your line of choice. Many folks prefer braid on their flipping set ups. Braid is simply awesome for slicing through the thick grass where your going to use this casting method but, it comes with a downfall also. My 7'-11" rod is VERY strong and so is the braid. Together, they have very little give. I was brought up to use a monster hook set. Generally, if I don't rock the boat with my hook set, I'm not satisfied that I stuck the fish well. Well, with using braid on that heavy rod, I was only hooking up on maybe 50% of my strikes. To counter that, I moved to 20 or 25# fluro and my hook up ratio went WAY up to about 90-95%. This simple change in line convinced me that MY set up, combined with MY hook set, was too much. The move to Fluorocarbon solved it. That little bit of extra give compensated for my hook set.
One last note on the long rod. For ME, a flipping/pitching rod with a jig or creature is awesome on a long cast and or deep water. The combination of little to no strech + the additional amount of line you can move with the long rod usually ensures a good hook set. The amount of big smallmouth on Candlewood working that deep weed edge, or dragging a 1 oz jig in 15 fow at Champlain, has brought a huge amount of fish to my boat that I don't think I would have stuck and boated with lesser tackle.
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#1386260 - 01/23/12 03:23 PM
Re: Flipping and Pitching rods?
[Re: Jon Pski]
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a flipping/pitching rod with a jig or creature is awesome on a long cast and or deep water. Agree. I can't recall the last time throwing a jig or creature on anything but a flipping stick. BTW - Those vintage MH Denny Brauer rods are a collector's item now. I picked a few up after he let me try one of his out on the river back in the early 90's. They were pitching machines.
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