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#1766212 - 05/30/19 01:02 PM Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances
Mitch P. Offline



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A bill that would prevent smoking and vaping at Hammonasset State Beach In Madison and other state parks has passed the state Senate

https://patch.com/connecticut/madison-ct/smoking-vaping-ban-bill-hammonasset-other-parks-advances
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#1766253 - 05/30/19 08:57 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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What about farting

That would be a Bill worth voting on.




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#1766276 - 05/31/19 06:25 AM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Jighead]
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Originally Posted By: Jighead
What about farting

That would be a Bill worth voting on.





It would probably pass in Connecticut!

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#1766283 - 05/31/19 07:58 AM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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I'd be in jail, on death row. No parole.

Last meal would be beans.

Everything I eat turns to steam. I'm farting right now. Thanks to shawarma at 130 am in NYC. SNnort on that overly liberal CT!
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#1766289 - 05/31/19 09:38 AM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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Im actually ok with this. Smoking is an activity that affects people around you that isnt related to the location. For example, if I go camping, I can expect smoke from a fire. If I go to the casino, I can expect cigarette smoke and all other things related to the casino.

If Im sitting at the beach and the dude next to me is smoking or vaping with no regard to where he is exhaling, thats BS. It still amazes me that so many people are either ignorant to their surroundings or dont give a $hit.

I also dont think we should be having dogs on planes and a bunch of other stuff too.
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#1766292 - 05/31/19 10:48 AM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mycept]
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Originally Posted By: Mycept
Im actually ok with this. Smoking is an activity that affects people around you that isnt related to the location. For example, if I go camping, I can expect smoke from a fire. If I go to the casino, I can expect cigarette smoke and all other things related to the casino.

If Im sitting at the beach and the dude next to me is smoking or vaping with no regard to where he is exhaling, thats BS. It still amazes me that so many people are either ignorant to their surroundings or dont give a $hit.

I also dont think we should be having dogs on planes and a bunch of other stuff too.



I get what you're saying, but the problem in your scenario is not smoking/vaping. It's people being assholes and doing it near others. If banning it all together is the solution to people being inconsiderate then lets ban music, kites, smelly food, loud kids... what else? Anything else annoy anyone?

It's like banning fishing because a few people litter/abuse rules. Would you be ok if the solution was to ban fishing altogether?
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#1766293 - 05/31/19 10:52 AM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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Totally agree. Can't stand cigarettes anywhere.

And I have mixed feelings on all the vaping.

Most vapors seem like people I wouldn't trust around kids. But I get the convenience of vaping for those who partake in the green leaf. As for vaping all the other substances, I won't pretend to even know what they are. Seems like a bad habit.
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#1766303 - 05/31/19 01:11 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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The other substances are nicotine, and they're no worse than alcohol or over eating.


Are we banning these for legitimate concerns or because we don't like them? Any article that says "multiple studies" but does not link the studies or provide a source should not really be taken at face value.


We barely have a grasp on if vaping is harmful to the person actually using it, so how would we have any idea about second hand vaping? Chronic affects take years to study and must be done carefully to have any meaningful results. Vaping has not been around long enough for second hand affects to be remotely close to understood.

So again, are we banning them because we don't like them or because there are legitimate concerns? Our legislators are making laws about topics they do not understand.


Regardless, people should not be vaping near others. But that is not the vape's fault, its the person being an #*&!. I don't see how this law helps that. Cigarette butts on the ground? That's littering, already banned. But it still happens right? Well maybe because simply banning something is a broad, ineffective strategy.


Conspiracy theory time here:
I'm pretty confident that none of the politicians give a #*&! about the citizens. It's why Lamont campaigned on legalization and truck only tolls yet months later he is abandoning legalization and pushing tolls for everyone. My personal rep is pro business, jobs, and wants to eliminate CT's ridiculous debt. But they are against legalization; a bill that would a)create a new industry b)create more taxable income for the state c)attract people from out of state. Politicians do not care about us. They claim to have banned vaping/cigs in an effort to 'promote public health' but I'd bet my left nut that this is for the publicity. Everyone knows cigs are bad, and vaping is for teen riff raff. This is an easy law for them to pass, and makes them look good. This law will have zero real impact except take away yet another freedom.

How about we start solving actual issues instead of blindly banning #*&! that will have no effect?


Edited by enwez (05/31/19 01:19 PM)
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#1766304 - 05/31/19 01:49 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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goodpost Well said!!! applause

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I was...
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#1766312 - 05/31/19 02:26 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: enwez]
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You're absolutely right. My first thought was "cool, I hate cigarettes". Then it occurred to me, why the hell are they even wasting time on this legislation? There are so many other pressing issues. Easy passage of a vote garnering law. Now its #*&! tolls. We already have a gas tax. Where's that money go?

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#1766333 - 05/31/19 06:51 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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Let people do what they want. Enforce littering policies for leaving butts in the beach.
You're outdoors, so don't try to tell me the smoke or vapor bothers you.
Stop trying to control behavior and control your brats and clean up after yourselves.
Just like the fishing slobs littering our shores, are they going to ban fishing all together because of the action of a few?


Edited by Tall 1 (05/31/19 06:52 PM)
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#1766345 - 05/31/19 10:22 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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Today I was behind a school bus the stopped 3 times. Every time is accelerated, a black cloud of exhaust blew out. I tried to stay back but each time my car filled with diesel fumes to the point I was holding my breath.

I dont think some second hand vape can even come close to the soot I inhaled today or everyday.

To me there are real problems everywhere around us everyday but legislators waste time on feel good legislation like this.

I used to smoke. Now I hate the smell at an elevated level. But telling people that they cant smoke within 100 acres of me, never crosses my mind.




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#1766351 - 06/01/19 09:23 AM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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So I used to smoke cigs as well. Also my brother in law was was the Lobby firm that banned smoking in NY Restuarants and bars. He did this because my niece has Cystic Finrosis and second hand smoke can damage her lungs even further.

I applaud the law. We were in Cape May last year and we were downwind from a cigar smoker. Sorry but I like smelling the salt air and not cig and cigar smoke. Maybe have a section on the beach for smoking but I am all for this.

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#1766414 - 06/02/19 01:45 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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Establish a smoking section at the beach, there are so many things being banned while some other activities get a pass, loud music, athletics, men in speedos, etc. keep on truckin'. Nothing to me but so many personal liberties being taken. Recently we are being told how to store our firearms which I understand and agree with but am disappointed not a peep about education on firearms safety for children such as Eddie the Eagle from the NRA or parental supervision of children. Again lay it all on the shoulders of gun-owners and eventually we'll get to the point where the most logical answer to firearms safety is to completely ban all firearms or keep the guns and ban all us evil people who insist on having them.
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#1766686 - 06/07/19 10:03 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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It is a crazy potential "law". Everyone knows of the potential harmful effects of smoking. Aren't we supposed to have liberties and freedoms? Just another small bite to strip us all of our civil liberties. As a smoker myself, I am considerate of others and will light up away from others so they don't have to be effected by my bad habit. Yet, the bigger question in my mind for many years is, why doesn't the Feds just outlaw tobacco? Smoking kills many more people than other types of deaths, yet other death causing issues are regulated to the extreme, ie, your car, business, or guns. Is it not done due to shutting down an industry, or not done to help the health care industry? Both scenarios are bogus and stink of political over reach. Silliness at its finest. Let's mandate everyone on the beach wear sunscreen spf 30 or above? Or maybe ban being on the beach altogether when the heat index hits 100f, or the possibility of thunderstorms exsist.
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#1766690 - 06/08/19 07:05 AM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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I get both sides and yes it's another restriction but I personally don't like the smell of it and what it can do to people like my niece even in second hand outside.When eating it wasn't so nice having cigar and cigarette smoke at the same time and on the beach catching a cigar next to you sucks. NJ passed the law already.

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#1772439 - 09/26/19 04:26 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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For once, CT government was ahead of the curve on something for once:

TWELVE Americans have died of vaping-linked illness and 805 have severe lung damage, CDC reports
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic...e-CDC-says.html
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#1772449 - 09/26/19 08:13 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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Originally Posted By: Mitch P.
For once, CT government was ahead of the curve on something for once:

TWELVE Americans have died of vaping-linked illness and 805 have severe lung damage, CDC reports
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic...e-CDC-says.html



Hang on.

Ahead of the curve?

It is a known fact cigarettes are detrimental to our health, yet they are not banned.

How can we justifiably ban vaping on the basis of health concerns, and just 12 deaths when MILLIONS of people, literally countless early deaths are directly and knowingly linked to cigarette and alcohol abuse. I call bullsh1t on all of this. This is a power grab, and it REAKS of an underlying agenda, the kind that comes in the form of big tobacco protecting thier market share with some funding for the horrors of vaping.

Use your heads folks! Taxes for the state? Giving up freedoms? NO, NO AND NO. No more of this trade off of taxes for legalization to get what want. The government serves YOU, so stand up and say I want it, and I want it without the penalty of a tax.

Or, you can look forward to the perpetual battle gun owners face, and the absurd fees to own what is rightfully theirs and mandated to be under a founding document of the nation.

Of course they have long disease- they ARE BREATHING POISON!!! they know what's up, they made a choice.


Edited by O-BASS (09/26/19 08:15 PM)
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#1772452 - 09/26/19 08:43 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: O-BASS]
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Originally Posted By: O-BASS
How can we justifiably ban vaping on the basis of health concerns, and just 12 deaths when MILLIONS of people, literally countless early deaths are directly and knowingly linked to cigarette and alcohol abuse.

Mike . . . . why do you insist on forcing these uncomfortable questions ?

Your making people uncomfortable. laugh

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#1772454 - 09/26/19 09:17 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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No doubt. Follow the money. You are probably right about big tobacco being behind it.

The thing with vaping is it is killing people much faster than it would take with cigarettes.

I'm all about keeping government out of our lives, but I'm also about breathing fresh air. Sorry, but I think all this vaping is the damn dumbest thing. If you want to kill yourself, do it at home, or in a wider open area where I don't have to be bothered.
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#1772467 - 09/27/19 07:44 AM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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I think vaping is fine as I don't smell it like cigs and cigars, second hand smoke sucks and can really harm people with lung diseases. I used to smoke and know second hand smoke literally gets me sick.

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#1772489 - 09/27/19 11:03 AM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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Wurd !

Originally Posted By: Mitch P.
If you want to kill yourself, do it at home, or in a wider open area where I don't have to be bothered.


Or smell your "Bubblegum Mint" intentionally laced with Nicotine as I walk by.






Edited by swwind (09/27/19 11:04 AM)

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#1772492 - 09/27/19 11:06 AM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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The other issue with this vaping crap, is they are marketing hard to young people with the harmless sounding flavors.
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#1772495 - 09/27/19 12:01 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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EXACTLY . . . just another vehicle for Nicotine addiction.


Originally Posted By: Mitch P.
The other issue with this vaping crap, is they are marketing hard to young people with the harmless sounding flavors.








Edited by swwind (09/27/19 12:01 PM)

"It is not necessary to change; survival is not mandatory" - Edward Deming

"I spent most of my dough on booze, broads and boats and the rest I wasted" - Elmore Leonard.

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"When we take a position that basically runs counter to what 98 out of 100 climate scientists from what the National Academy of Scientists said on what is causing climate change, and mans contribution to it, I think we find ourselves on the wrong side of science" - John Huntsman December 2011

"Such change demands on our part a serious and responsible recognition not only of the kind of world we may be leaving to our children, but also to the millions of people living under a system which has overlooked them" - Pope Francis September 2015

"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy," Donald Trump 2012
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#1772498 - 09/27/19 12:11 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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You can tell who vapes while driving, just look at their windows all fogged up you can barely see out of them. DISGUSTING!

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#1772599 - 09/30/19 07:47 AM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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I am an ex smoker. I actually like the smell of a lit ciggarette somethimes.

I think the smoking allowed or not in a private establishment should be up to the owner of the establishment. If he wants to allow smoking so be it. If you do not want to be around smokers go somewhere else. If he does not want to allow smokers so be it. If you want to smoke go somewhere else. Simple.....

Laws only screw #*&! up.

Slam it home and cross their eyes
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#1772654 - 10/01/19 06:58 AM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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Having been in the Berkshires for several of the last 8 weekends performing weddings , i though of this exact thread as I walked by person after person lighting up and smoking weed. Street corners, kids around, ice cream shops, family and friends nearby, all huffing it in, and me with almost no where to avoid breathing it in.

I would love to know how you can knock the vapers, and still not see this exact same scenario coming to CT with pot. Only now, we all get to smell that horrible odor too. Now I am not a user of either of these things, but is there some sort of expectation for those who do that somehow legalizing weed is NOT going to result in this same situation?

Its everywhere in Mass.
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#1772665 - 10/01/19 08:56 AM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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To me I just can't stand cig and cigar but it should be an even playing field. When I go to the auction in PA you are allowed to smoke in bars but not Restuarants. Kind of a joke as the place I eat has the dining room open to the bar and it smells gross. Again I am biased as my niece is on the double lung transplant list and second hand smoke really messes her up.

I think public places open air should maybe have smoking areas or designated beaches, like down where we go certain swimming areas don't allow rafts and certain ones do. I don't think it should be banned from the entires coastline but have some areas. We were in Cape May in September set up all of our stuff and a chain smoker was upwind from us smoking even though it is against the law. I did say something and they moved.

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#1772982 - 10/07/19 05:00 PM Re: Smoking, Vaping Ban Bill At Hammonasset, Other Parks Advances [Re: Mitch P.]
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...just another great reason to have left ct...not that there is or is not a issue with 2nd hand smoke and vape.wtf is next?...campfires,exhaling c02...give me a f,n break.good riddance.
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