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#587705 - 11/22/05 02:37 PM Re: Creel limit for Bass
Mitch P. Offline



Registered: 05/04/01
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csimone, for a guy holding a beautiful bass, I'd think you'd be interested in preserving that opportunity for the future.

I agree with you that we're not going to get anywhere by criticizing one guy for keeping some legal fish. Believe me, I'm with you 100% on that.

However, to say that this discussion is a bunch of guys complaining is missing a opportunity to really learn something. A lot of good points are being brought up.

I'm hoping for a statement from the DEP soon to add even more to the discussion.
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#587706 - 11/22/05 02:45 PM Re: Creel limit for Bass
Dusty Offline

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These type of discussions are the heart and sole of all scientific knowledge....it makes people think about issues and concepts outside what they have experience with. No matter what comes about from this thread, discussions like these could NEVER be a bad.




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#587707 - 11/22/05 02:49 PM Re: Creel limit for Bass
csimone Offline
lastt call before fall

Registered: 02/15/05
Posts: 3910
Loc: Danbury CT
theres nothing wrong with educating mitch. its the peolpe that have nothing better to do than cry.and if I could turn back time I would have kept that fish. so what. so I could see her every day on my wall. but anyways, people such as yourself ,dusty, husky, and the others who have alot of education under their belts have alot to offer people. but when people start threatening, (yes threatening), and makeing remarks about where people are from, and all the other stupid remarks they say, they should be banned from the site.
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#587708 - 11/22/05 02:59 PM Re: Creel limit for Bass
csimone Offline
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Registered: 02/15/05
Posts: 3910
Loc: Danbury CT
another thing, if the largemouth was in in any danger, the DEP would change the limits. but their not, so they wont.
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#587709 - 11/22/05 02:59 PM Re: Creel limit for Bass
Mitch P. Offline



Registered: 05/04/01
Posts: 31742
No one is perfect, and I'm certainly not a genius, but if I started booting people who made "stupid" comments we'd only be talking to, well, I don't know who would be left here. \:D

I reserve the boot for the real a-holes. It's pretty clear when someone crosses the line and/or doesn't grasp the concept of how to participate in a fishing website.

Seriously, there are obviously a lot of passionate bass fishermen on the site. With that passion comes emotion and all kinds of comments come out.

In the end, hopefully we can look back on a thread like this in the future and identify some good things that came of it.

Certainly, freshwater gamefish need to be managed. Whether the current system is OK as is, horrible, or could use improvement, I'd like to know for sure.

I really want to see what the DEP has to say about bass management in CT.
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#587710 - 11/22/05 03:12 PM Re: Creel limit for Bass
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Registered: 05/09/03
Posts: 708
Loc: Lancaster, SC
Reading the quotes from the fisheries staff, one thing seems to stand out. Anglers in CT need to better understand how a slot limit is supposed to work, and that keeping bass isn't a bad thing. Lets take Mansfield Hollow for example. I know that when I go to Mansfield I can catch many bass under 12". Should I be keeping my limit of those fish? Legally you can do so. There does seem to be a great number of these smaller fish.

Im my experience if you catch a bass over 5lbs from Mansfield you are very lucky. By keeping those small fish, am I really doing the fishery a favor? Would this really promote bigger fish?
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#587711 - 11/22/05 03:20 PM Re: Creel limit for Bass
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Chris is right when he says "if the bass was in danger, the DEP would change the limits." The DEP works tirelessly to preserve our fisheries. Most every fishable body of water is sampled at some point, and many of hem are sampled yearly. Trends in abundance and size distribution can be determined and managemnt plans are implemented....many placed such as Mansfield are "bass management" lakes for a reason, because something is ocurring within the system to make action necessary. I believe that DEP is in the process of formalizing the results of some of the bass management lakes..I will look into what I can obtain relating to the bass management and future initiatives.




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#587712 - 11/22/05 04:40 PM Re: Creel limit for Bass
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Registered: 04/26/04
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According to the last report, 2005 sampling was going to start looking at the impacts of the bass management regulations. We'll just have to wait and see
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#587713 - 11/22/05 04:46 PM Re: Creel limit for Bass
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Registered: 04/23/04
Posts: 325
For the people that say that tournaments are more damaging to the fisheries than a few people keeping fish every now and then are 110% correct!! Last year I had to do a research paper on tournament mortalities and what you will find is disgusting. The biggest reason is tournament fishermen don’t know how to treat there fish. I can count on one hand the number of people that do most of the things that the biologist say to do. Some of the easiest thing to do is to keep your live well pump running at all times, use ice to keep the water cool because cold water can hold more oxygen than warm water can, and add keep alive powder. In the research that I did it said to put salt in the live wells, I’m not sure but I think that the powder has salt in it.
A study was done in Florida a couple of years ago that had two groups.
Group #1 added ice and salt and used recalculating aeration. Fresh water was added two or three times during the day to flush out toxic ammonia.
Group #2 pumped fresh water through their live wells all day but did not use ice or salt, all anglers ran live-well aerators continuously.
Mortality of fish from Group #1 using ice, salt & recirculation averaged only 14%. Group #2 using constant fresh-water flow-through averaged a mortality of 18%.
Summer time is the worst time for tournament mortalities. This is some of the results that I found on line I can’t find the bibliography to give you the exact website but this is hard evidence that doing tournaments in warm water is worse than in cold water.

January 27-30 2004 -1462 Largemouth Bass were officially weighed-in. Initial mortality was recorded and 19 were brought to the weigh-in dead. Delayed mortality was very low only one fish died in the pens. Also there was 20 fish that had expanded swim bladders threw out the tournament that had died during the second and third day of the tournament. Water temperature was 56 degrees.
February 21-22, 2004 - largemouth bass were officially weighed-in. There was four fish that was initially brought to the weigh-in dead. And again delayed mortality was very low no fish died in the pens. In this tournament they did aside experiment in witch they “fizzed” the fish. Fizzing is a thing when they puncture the swim bladder witch allows them to deflate there swim bladders so they can swim upright again. The swim bladders are needed to puncture because they were caught in depths greater man 30 feet. What happens when fish are caught that deep is they are brought up threw the water column so fast they are unable to deflate there swim bladder on the way up. Water temperature was 58 degrees.
March 26-28, 2004 - 904 largemouth bass were officially weighed-in. No fish were brought to the weigh-in dead40 fish were caught and kept in the pens and 38 fish were in the pens that was electro shocked. . In the fish that was held in the pens only one fished died. This tournament they used electro shocking and only one of fish died in the pens. Water temperature was 66 degrees.
July 10 -11, 2004. - 163 largemouth bass were officially weighed-in. Initial mortality rate was much higher I this tournament in this one there was 17 that were brought to the weigh-in dead. In the pens 94% of the tournament caught fished died. (Two lived) and all 20 electro shocked fished died Water temperature was 87 degrees.

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#587714 - 11/22/05 05:01 PM Re: Creel limit for Bass
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Registered: 08/08/05
Posts: 1397
Loc: Watertown, CT
Interesting facts Caveman, you do that study or did you run across it? Was that in CT? Also from what your saying about tourney fishing I am already doing what I can, I leave my recirc/aerator on the whole day, and I put treatment in the water as well. So if I add Ice from my cooler during the day, that is about as much as I can do right? Also when I fished in SC during tourneys if I landed a fish that was majorly hooked, I would cut the barb off the hook (Yes ruin the lure if I had to) to prevent further damage to the fish, so I guess even though I eat them, that I would be one of those anglers who practices safe tourney transports?
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