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#667931 - 04/19/06 10:13 PM Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
Jighead Offline

I love re-re-opening day

Registered: 04/05/02
Posts: 11226
My 2 cents - It should be about the kids...

I took my 13yr old son out on opening day this year - Crappie fishing. We had a place to ourselves, had a great time and he caught over 25. Beats all the opening day nonsense.

The year before we tried to fish the Mill river in Hamden. Usually it's stocked well but it was tough to find any fish. After much walking and looking for both trout and a fishable bank space and then driving, parking and more walking and looking, we finally found some trout just before his short attention span reached it's end.

He caught two trout while I stayed out of his way. Within minutes, the splashing trout drew a crowd that began fishing over and around him in this little hole that was no more than 10ft wide and 12ft long. These were grown men, who you'd think would know better, than to jump into a small hole and elbow out a 12yr old kid in the process.

The year before that we went to Chatfield Hollow, the upper pond around 11AM after finding our primary spot had not been stocked at all only to find this area filled with adults and a line in the water literally, every 4ft. We looked around for a place to squeeze in but we didn't find one. We hung around hoping someone would finish up, but to no avail. We eventually left to do more diving and looking elsewhere to try and salvage the day. That spot, should be a kids and handicap only area IMHO. And do those anglers really need to fish there for 5+ hours to limit out?

My opinion, opening day should be about the kids. They should open the season a week earlier for kids under 14 and only for kids.

The negatives surrounding the opening day experience, outweight the positives in my book and once a year, it's a great example of what fishing is NOT about. However, since that's what it always looks like - that's all some people have come to know. If losing opening day would mean we would lose the once a year hacks with no regard for the fish, the river, private property or other fishermen - than I'd be more than willing to sacrifice it. Besides, while we all have to wait for the opener, we are losing out on some great fishing in the weeks just prior anyway.

The positives, like getting together with family and friends on an annual basis and any other traditions that are important, can be handled on our own - we don't really need the State of CT. to take care of that, do we?

....If we have any say... Vote for May






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#667932 - 04/20/06 03:27 AM Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
Keith G Offline

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Registered: 05/22/03
Posts: 3077
Loc: Suffield, CT
Hmmmmm, I'd be all for having a "Children's Opening Day". Give a head start and show the positive side of fishing.

I might be incorrect but I am never wrong!!

GO CELTICS!!!!!
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#667933 - 04/20/06 12:41 PM Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
MikeG Offline

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Registered: 01/20/02
Posts: 13088
Loc: NW CT
A childrens opening day would be great !

Here is what the opening day tradition taught me from the time I was 3 until I was 12 :

It is a badge of honor to catch and kill as many trout as possable.It is even okay to limit out numerous times in a day as long as you do not keep going back to the same spot.Bragging rights are the trophy to the one whpo catches the most.

It's okay to let these trout rot in the freezer only to be thrown out 6 months later to make room in the freezer.

It is okay to crowd,elbow into a spot,it is the only way your going to be able to catch fish.

It is okay to "celabrate" opening day by getting drunk and making an a$$ of yourself.


It's okay to be rude and dissrespectfull to other anglers,almost expected.


You can always count on seeing a fight or two and it is acceptable on this one day a year.

It is okay to just bag up your trash and leave it on the bank or in the parking area ,someone else will take it away.

Luckily for me I seen the errors in the way I was taught to celebrate opening day.

I was turned off by the whole opening day/fishing thing when I was about 12.Opening day is not important to me,good sportmanship is.

Getting rid of opening day is not about people being selfish and wanting more fish for themselves ,it is just the oppisite.

It is about getting rid of all the non-sense associated with opening day(drunks,poachers,trash,over crowding),it is about making the best use of a limitied resource and spreading it out more through out the year.

I have not even fished for trout yet this season ,nor do I plan to in the near future.I will wait a month or so until all the yahoo's have given up and put there gear away until next year.
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#667934 - 04/20/06 03:05 PM Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
flyrodder Offline
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Registered: 04/29/02
Posts: 1018
Here's my 2 cents:

I find it funny that the same people are claiming that those who would do away with opening day are "selfish" are complaining because it would mean that their little brat would no longer be able to go out on the third Saturday in April and "limit out" by 6:30 AM. Who is really selfish here?

Personally opening day is meaningless. The season is only closed for 7 weeks anyway and I usually don't fish because even spots like the Farmy or Housy that are open are blown out and running cold from melting snow.

Would doing away with opening day improve the fisheries? I don't know, but I have my doubts. However it would do away with the ugly side that so many have pointed out already. What chaps my hide on opening day more than the idiotic behavior is the moronic fools who bash the DEP because they didn't go home with a stringer full of fish on opening day.

If you think it's so important to make it a tradition for your kids to go out and catch a stringer full of pet fish that taste like **** than I have a solution for you:

Do away with opening day. On the bodies of water where it makes sense stock them well in the fall and make the regs catch and release from Oct1-April1. At the same time, identify more ponds/lakes/streams that would not hold trout year round and have easy access and turn them into trout parks. Designate the 3rd Saturday in April as "Kids Fishing Day" and make it a law that on that day the trout parks are for kids only-no adults allowed to fish. Have the DEP trucks roll up on that day at 5:30 AM and dump the fish in. It would give the kids an excellent shot at hooking up without having to experience the buffoonery of the opening day idiots.
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#667935 - 04/20/06 04:22 PM Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
Mycept Offline

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Registered: 04/26/04
Posts: 8360
Wow what a topic to have to read through after finding it on the header for the webpage. This is another topic that could be argued both ways and no one would convince anyone else to feel differently. Personally, I don't fish much on opening day, although growing up in PA I couldn't wait for opening day to come around to go fishing. It is a little strange since there is such a small closed season.

You could argue no closed seasons for any species of fish and game. Why not have no closed deer season, but keep the same number of tags. Why not have no closed seasons on any species of fish or game?

The problem as I see it with CT trout fishing which has been pointed out many times here is that it's a put and take fishery except for a few spots. There is no advantage to abolishing opening day of trout season. The state stocks the fish with the intent that they'll be caught and removed from the lake/river. In general, you wouldn't have more fish in the areas you're fishing because there is some carrying capacity, which the DEP artificially exceeds by stocking. In the end, whatever the river or lake can support is what you'll be left with, taking out 60% in 2 weeks does nothing.

The argument about the trash on the rivers is good, but I don't see that changing. There are slob fishermen and hunters period. It's not opening day that causes people to leave their trash on the ground or get drunk and fall in the river, it's their morals and attitudes in general. If there was no opening day, and instead these same individuals got together and fished as a group at any time of year, you would have the same result in the end. There would still be the same number of worm containers in the woods, just spread out over a longer period of time.
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#667936 - 04/21/06 10:54 AM Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
Hyper Striper Offline
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Registered: 02/22/05
Posts: 191
Follow Mass laws but keep the Trout Parks the same. This will give the kids a chance. The trout parks are great for kids to see. Plus I remember the opening day hype when I was young and watching my 7 year old boy now go crazy for opening day was great. I think he thinks it is better then Chrismas!!!!!!
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#667937 - 04/21/06 04:22 PM Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
Jeremiah G Offline

Adventure Kayak Fishing Dude

Registered: 03/25/04
Posts: 4773
Loc: Mountain Home, Arkansas
I am definately for abolishment. Tradition seems to be the key arguement from the other side. Tradition is a good thing, sometimes, maybe. I feel tradition also leads to ignorance and does not promote an open mind or progression. A good example is a guy I used to work with, everything he beleived or did seemed based on tradition. He would only by Fords because his grandfather and father always did. He was a Catholic because his parents and grandparents were, he would only buy the same kind of jeans because he always did and so on. He did things at work because he always did them that way. We were changing / improving a lot of procedures and policies at work, he couldn't handle change and quit. After all the changes and improvements things were much better and efficient. Get the idea ?

First goes Opening Day, then maybe Christamas and Easter. For now, I guess I can just settle for opening day. I am kind of joking about the easter / xmas thing.

WWJD ?

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#667938 - 04/23/06 02:03 AM Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
SWMPYNKE Offline

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Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 2754
Sorry to you all but I still see selfishness as the underlying theme to abolish opening day and You can witness bad behaviour and litter and the rest year round. Referring to someone's kid as a little brat when you don't even know them won't win you any friends.
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#667939 - 04/23/06 05:32 PM Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
Keith G Offline

Member

Registered: 05/22/03
Posts: 3077
Loc: Suffield, CT
How is it selfish? The fish are all still stocked in the same watersjust not given a cigarette and blindfold at 6 a.m. the third Saturday in April.

I might be incorrect but I am never wrong!!

GO CELTICS!!!!!
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#667940 - 04/23/06 08:45 PM Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
SWMPYNKE Offline

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Registered: 04/15/05
Posts: 2754
The underlying theme of abolishing opening day is so that this 60%( where does this figure come from) of the trout that are caught and wasted(apparently the majority of these trout rot or wind-up with freezer burn)(who determined this to be true?) will be available for the true fishermen to catch later in the season. Sorry that is the way I read it and I believe most intelligent and logical people who examine both sides would agree with me, otherwise whats the big deal if these jerks run amock for one day?? Granted the litter is disgusting and bad behaviour is never pleasant even to watch but that exists year round. I think after opening day there are plenty of trout left and that's when the real fishermen as this site illustrates really shine. There are plenty of alternative places to go and other types of fishing so that you can avoid this debacle you call opening day. Going to a popular river and not expecting to have some jerks around is like deciding it would be fun to go for a sunday drive in Iraq. We've all got to share, sorry.
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