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#1361671 - 10/26/11 04:06 PM Re: Illegal deer hunting arrest [Re: EnCon Police]
Mycept Offline

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Do they lose their licenses in CT for the next 10 years? There has to be more to it than a $200 fine. I could kill a lot of deer by trespassing in some areas without getting caught most likely. Knowing that there is only going to be a $200 fine if I do, doesn't seem like much of a deterent.
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#1361678 - 10/26/11 04:32 PM Re: Illegal deer hunting arrest [Re: EnCon Police]
MikeG Offline

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If I remember correctly the guy in Hartland CT who shot the moose in his yard only paid a $500 fine.

CT courts think fish and game violations are a waste of the courts time. They have bigger criminals to prosecute than hunters and fisherman.


seems like a real slap in the face to the wardens who work their understaffed a$$'s off to make these arrests.
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#1361688 - 10/26/11 05:13 PM Re: Illegal deer hunting arrest [Re: EnCon Police]
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exactly Mike, I bet it cost way more to have Encon investigate, and stake out these guys.... the fine should at the least cover those costs!

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#1361704 - 10/26/11 06:25 PM Re: Illegal deer hunting arrest [Re: EnCon Police]
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It's kind of sad that the guy who will take the biggest hit out of all of this just gave the poachers a ride.

Now he has a bench warrant, has his license to drive suspended, and will be in jail once located.

Had he just shown up he probably could have had the charges dropped, or at the very least had to pay a small fine.

Now he has an added charge of failing to appear and a likely annoyed judge.

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#1361707 - 10/26/11 06:35 PM Re: Illegal deer hunting arrest [Re: EnCon Police]
Tall 1 Offline

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What a slap in Enconn's face.
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#1365215 - 11/12/11 09:54 PM Re: Illegal deer hunting arrest [Re: EnCon Police]
dtsoutdoors Offline

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Registered: 12/01/05
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Actually, the penalty these three received was not "light" for CT. They forfeited their bonds meaning they were found guilty and will now have permanent criminal records (not that that means much nowadays). They will face administrative sanctions by DEEP and they forfeited ALL gear seized (including tree stands and bows, etc.) seized by the EnCon guys. In the general scheme of CT's criminal justice system, it wasn't just a light slap on the wrist. I know that it's frustrating for those of us who go out of our way to obey every regulation to see guys like this avoid going to jail for a few days. It has to be even more frustrating for theEnCon guys who workso hard on these cases.

The fact that CT courts in general have little, if any, interest in fish and game violations is really nothing new. It's been that way for at least 25 years. A lot depends a lot upon in which particular court the offender appears and upon which particular prosecutor handles the case. Some would have given these guys back everything without a second thought. Everyone involved in the criminal justice system is being pressured to move cases quickly and to keep people out of jail (as it costs $$$ to incarcerate people). Sad, but true.
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#1365245 - 11/12/11 11:30 PM Re: Illegal deer hunting arrest [Re: EnCon Police]
MyGirl Offline

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Registered: 03/19/03
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They were all charged with violating the states hunting laws. These are laws that we support and pay for in our licenses, etc.
Maybe we should start paying for the arrest of people that violate the rest of the states laws?
Maybe a surcharge if we want drug dealers arrested. Maybe a surcharge if we want criminal possession of a firearm prosecuted, etc.
Why is it that there is only one segment of the population that actually has to pay for peple to be arrested for violating laws that apply to everyone?
Sportsman, throught their licences and fees , are supporting thier own system of justice, which doesn't seem to have much of an impact.
Maybe it's time to ask why these same violations shouldn't be given the same level of respect as all the other crimes that are committed?
It is common knowledge that the commission of a fish and game regulation violation in Connecticut is nothing more than a suspension, fine,etc. At most a seizure of weapons and vehicles, but no jail time.
Isn't it time for this to change?
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#1365290 - 11/13/11 11:23 AM Re: Illegal deer hunting arrest [Re: EnCon Police]
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MyGirl - I agree with you. The impetus for more enforcement of fish and game violations has to come from the legislature or from the Chief State's Attorney. For instance, about 25 years ago, the CT Criminal Justice system became MUCH more serious about DWIs and alcohol realted accidents after MADD and SADD began pressuring the legislature to take those offenses more seriously. Laws were passed stating that if prosecutors were dropping those charges, they had to state on the record in open court the reasons why they were doing so. There were mandatory minimum sentences mandated by statute. While I don't think we will ever see the level of interest in F&G violations that we do in DWIs, there should be some effort to address the situation. Try contacting your local reps and ask them to address the problem in the legislature. If they see the enforcement as a way to put more money into the state's coffers, they will all be on the bandwagon. Maybe suggest mandatory whopping fines with half the money going to DEEP enforcement and the other half to the gen'l fund.
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#1365385 - 11/13/11 10:39 PM Re: Illegal deer hunting arrest [Re: dtsoutdoors]
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Originally Posted By: dtsoutdoors
Try contacting your local reps and ask them to address the problem in the legislature. If they see the enforcement as a way to put more money into the state's coffers, they will all be on the bandwagon. Maybe suggest mandatory whopping fines with half the money going to DEEP enforcement and the other half to the gen'l fund.


I totally agree with that idea. I've thought for months now that a good way to make extra money off of the public is by being tougher with the people who don't care and raising fines they all have to pay for violating any laws and regulations.

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