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#1587856 - 07/16/14 10:38 AM Time to rethink Bass Management???
Jon Pski Offline

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Registered: 04/15/02
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Loc: Winsted, CT
Is it time review our current Bass Management Lakes? Lakes such as Wononscopomuc and Colebrook are under slot limits currently and slot limits only work if people are retaining bass. That hardly seems to be the case at many of these managed lakes. If no one is keeping under 12" fish, what's the point in having these burdensome regulations?
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#1587861 - 07/16/14 11:12 AM Re: Time to rethink Bass Management??? [Re: Jon Pski]
O-BASS Offline

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Registered: 06/04/03
Posts: 20124
agree. seems pointless.

do you have a better suggestion, Jon? id be all about a change in the bag/size limit, and a clause that allows the temporary retention of 5 or 8 fish for permit authorized tournament purposes is simple to write into a new reg. seems like a no brainer.
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#1587869 - 07/16/14 11:58 AM Re: Time to rethink Bass Management??? [Re: Jon Pski]
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Registered: 04/14/05
Posts: 1649
Loc: Kent, CT
Perhaps I'm naive - but I hardly see people catching bass putting them in a live well (unless they're in a tournament) or on a stringer, let alone keeping them. I'd venture a guess that smaller ponds frequented by ice-fisherman (using mostly live bait) are under the most pressure, both from harvesting fish and from gut-hooking related mortality.

I know I don't have the breadth of experience that some members on this site have with different bodies of water in CT, but I don't see much difference between the "managed" lakes I've fished in CT and the rest. The lakes with the strongest forage base (ie alewife lakes like Candlewood, Lilli and Waramaug) seem to have the more robust bass populations while also supporting predator stocking programs (trout, walleye and pike) which compete directly with the bass for forage. These lakes are ideal for the forage, and so without any slot limits the bass and their competition mutually thrive, granted dissolved oxygen levels and temperature seem to be putting negative pressure on the cold-water predators lately.

Having read a few articles about private managed ponds, the successful ponds are designed to support the targeted primary forage base, with structure added to provide habitat for the bass in the final stages of construction. CT tries to manage the fisheries by addressing the predators - ie protected slot limits, dumping in adult trout, rather than studying the prey and designing the management program to target the prey. Top it off, there are accounts all over this forum this year of surreptitious efforts to deploy chemical-based weed killers being made throughout the state this year on lakes which have dams that could be used to drive weeds off shore by exposing the bottom of the lake to the frost, as has been done with such success on Candlewood in the last 10 years or so.

Sounds to me like the state's current management strategy is bass-ackwards of what it should be - regulating virtually non-existent consumption and active efforts to destroy predator/prey habitat. I'm not proposing spreading invasive prey, but perhaps a zoo-plankton breeding program (stocked during the bass-spawn to kick-start fry growth) or golden-shiner stocking program in these lakes currently subject to slot limits might yield greater results. They would benefit the entire fishery, not just the apex predators - but other desirable game/consumption fish such as perch and crappie as well, which in turn increase the forage base for the apex predators. Given the mortality rates of predatory fish from birth to adulthood any program designed to raise prey will be far more cost-effective/efficient.
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#1587983 - 07/16/14 10:14 PM Re: Time to rethink Bass Management??? [Re: Jon Pski]
Jon Pski Offline

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Should have offered an alternative if I was going to disagree with something so here goes:
6 fish under 12" and only one over 18". Exempt catch and release tournaments through all months. December 15 through March 15, reduce black bass creel limit to 2.
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#1587984 - 07/16/14 10:32 PM Re: Time to rethink Bass Management??? [Re: Jon Pski]
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sounds good to me. id make it like NY, one over 20, but id be all about that Jon.
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#1587990 - 07/16/14 11:35 PM Re: Time to rethink Bass Management??? [Re: Jon Pski]
onthewater102 Offline

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But would it really change anything? What difference does it make if you tweak the regulations on a practice that isn't occurring?

I made my case to the DEP back when the DEP was the DEP not the DEEP and it fell on deaf ears. I think the whole stocking program is backwards.
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#1588055 - 07/17/14 11:26 AM Re: Time to rethink Bass Management??? [Re: Jon Pski]
Jighead Offline

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To talk about managing...first there must be a management goal.

The current bass management lakes have a goal of increasing the average size bass caught.
Probably something fairly conservative like from a 1.6 pound average to a 2.2 pound average.
With one over 18 and a harvest of bass under 12" - they probably reach the goal.....if anyone followed it and harvested small bass.

Want more than that? Gotta ask the State to raise the bar.


My opinion - why stop at 18" - Its hard to get bass to 18" and once you do, the odds are good that they live to a ripe old age and weight. To get there, small bass need to regularly be removed in some (majority of) lakes.

I say one bass over 24" (unless you already caught one over 24"...then only keep PB's) smile1
....and I think I'm being generous about it smile1

Name one lake where "too many large bass" is a problem.
Manage one lake for trophy bass is all I ask for now pray

I'd drive a couple hours and pay a few bucks to fish a lake where all the large bass are C&R only - before I'd fish another "average" CT lake.
Lake Saltonstall would have been perfect for this - - until allowing regular CT creel limits ruined it. (or took it from great to very average in no time flat) confused2

For tourneys - very simple waiver form process is all you need to weigh in 5 fish.



Edited by Jighead (07/17/14 11:42 AM)

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#1588066 - 07/17/14 12:21 PM Re: Time to rethink Bass Management??? [Re: Jon Pski]
ecurB Offline

Can you eat that ?

Registered: 06/06/10
Posts: 1661
I'm not a bass fisherman , but....

If the slot limits are not working because people are not killing the small bass , why not just electro fish these lakes and cull the small bass ?
Most of those who would keep and eat these small bass are restricted to shore fishing and most of these lakes have little access for that .

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#1588734 - 07/21/14 02:07 PM Re: Time to rethink Bass Management??? [Re: ecurB]
jimfish Offline

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Make the slot limit 15" to 22" with 1 over 22". No one wants to keep a bass 12" or under.

My name is Jim. You can call me slim. I row my boat way out to the middle.Cause the fish I'm after ain't so little. Pike, Trout, Largemouth Bass. Get me out there really fast. I know I'm good,really the best. The rest of you are such a pest. - By Henry Gibson
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#1588742 - 07/21/14 02:11 PM Re: Time to rethink Bass Management??? [Re: Jon Pski]
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