I personally could care less if they stopped stocking trout altogether, but I know I'm in the minority.
The stocking of trout in water where they knowingly won't survive just to give under-privledged or inner-city kids a chance doesn't seem intelligent. I agree with people who said they should be stocking panfish or catfish instead. Stock something that will live, naturally reproduce and are more fun to catch (and better to eat).
I'll take a dozen nice bluegills over trout anyday...even when we're catching natives.
#668015 - 04/26/0709:29 PM
Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
MattC
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QUOTE] Running a company, would you spend 60% of yur profits to make money? [/QB][/QUOTE]
I know a lot of builders that do exactly that they put tons of money into a peice of land to sell the houses and make a profit. For instance if you buy a house for 2oo thousand, put 50 thousand into it and sell it for 300 thou your telling me its not worth it? It is the same thing the DEP is doing you just dont see it they are spending money on fish to stock therefore making a profit off of fishing licenses, taxes on fishing equipment (general fund) The fines that they hand out to all of the once a year fisherman that dont read the book, (ex: If you keep more than your limit of 2 fish in sleeping giant it is 154 dollars per fish. How many people do you think go to Mill river and keep 5 fish not paying any attention to the big yellow sings?)there is a lot of money to be made on opening day that helps the economy Ill say it agian I belong to Wallingford Rod & Gun, they stock all year round so if you want that, JOIN A CLUB ( the fish are a lot bigger too!!) opening day is a great thing and will never go away so get used to it!
#668017 - 04/27/0712:10 PM
Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
MikeG
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I still have not trout fished in CT yet this season.My reason for being against opening day is NOT so I can catch more fish,my reasoning is that getting rid of opening day is a much better use of the resources needed to operate the trout program.More could be accomplished with less funding if opening day where abolished.
and as far as joining a club : What clubs in CT actually have ponds that trout holdover in ? Most clubs just stock little mud puddles on their property with farm raised fish and just call it a trout pond.Most if not all club ponds are a put and take fishery.
#668018 - 04/27/0701:05 PM
Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
MattC
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Originally posted by Mike G: .
What clubs in CT actually have ponds that trout holdover in ? Most clubs just stock little mud puddles on their property with farm raised fish and just call it a trout pond.Most if not all club ponds are a put and take fishery.
Have you ever heard of the saying think before you speak? I know of two clubs actually right off the top of my head Wallingford Rod & Gun, we have a Large "mud puddle" and we are constanly haveing tests done to the water to make sure the fish have the right conditions, and Hamden fish and Game who also has a Large "Mud Puddle" wich is very capable of holding trout thru even the hottest of months. At Wallinford we take pride in out trout "fishery" Oh and by the way it sounds to me that your a "Trophy" fisherman well let me ask you something mr almighty Trophy fisherman, is it a Trophy to you if you catch a fish that the State put there for you to catch? No matter how long it has been there it is not an elusive fish! It was put there for a reason, To catch, gut, cook, and Eat!!! Deal with it. As far as the clubs go I have not gotten the gotten the chance to check out any others besides the two that I mentioned but you might want to get actual information about something before you start flapping your gums about it!
mfcllc - What does joining a club have to do with abolishing opening day? That seems to be you comeback for everything. Most of us are aware of areas we can trout fish in the state year round without joining a club. Why pay for a membership for something I can do for for the cost of a fishing license. The point is also not to be able to fish year round (you can already do that), it is to eliminate the onslaught of poaching, litter and bad sportsmanship that seems to peak on opening day.
The DEP is crying poor. Obviously something has to change in the way they spend money. Their current financial plan is not working. Stocking trout doomed to die is not a good investment of resources. Sorry. I'm sure the fewer licenses they would sell would not cost more than the cost of farm raising those thousands of trout.
I think you should look over more of Mike G's post history before you start accusing someone of flapping their gums BTW. He has been very active in a trout club here on the site supplementally stocking the Farming ton River TMA and also does more fishing than the just catching trout park fish and hunting for broodstock as you are implying.
FWIW does your club encourage catch and release? Or do they require you to keep the fish you catch? There are a great many clubs that do not allow catch and release, knowing their pond will not hold over the numbers of trout they stocked no matter how well they manage the water quality.
#668020 - 04/27/0701:49 PM
Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
MattC
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Keith, Wallingfor Rod & Gun, definatly allows catch and release. We also inforce a rule that if you are going to fish catch and release you have to do so with a barbless hook so there is minimal handling of the fish, you also are not allowed to fish with shiners, corn, marshmallows or any other rediculous bait for contamination reasons. As far as the Dep crying poor that will never stop! But why try to take away a valuable source of income? I understand that they can take that money and make our trout fisheries better but that would not make them any money. Opening day is a money maker period! More infractions get made out on opening day than any other day of the year ask any CO and they will agree.
#668021 - 04/27/0701:52 PM
Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
MikeG
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mfllc : notice in my post I said "most" club ponds ,not all.And most club ponds discourage catch and release which is why I do not belong to any clubs.
Sounds like I may have pissed you off at one point or another ,maybe touched a nerve. Sounds like you are the one worried about not being able to have easy pickins for the trout,you seem worried you might actually have to fish in April to catch trout.
And yes I am a trophy fisherman,I currently hold a season fishing liscense in 4 states just so I may pursue bigger trophy fish (all species,not just trout).When it comes to trout I am strictly catch and release ! I also only have pictures of my "trophy" catches ,no mounts because again I release all my fish for others to hopefully catch and enjoy.
If you have a problem with me PM me or better yet call me to discuss it
#668022 - 04/27/0701:56 PM
Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
MikeG
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fish with shiners, corn, marshmallows or any other rediculous bait for contamination reasons.
and how does a bait qualify to be considered ridiculous
Please point me in the direction of some reports saying,corn and marshmallows contaminate our waters.I have read numerous reports/studies on fishing with corn and none mention it can contaminate a body of water.To the contrary of your statement corn is ofton used in large quantities as chum for carp and fluke .
Seeing you like opening day maybe you should see about getting a closed season on bass so all the bass anglers can help us generate funding for the DEP.If one opening day is good ,imagine how good two opening days would be for the economy.Besides bass fisherman seem to be the big spenders when it comes to fresh water fishing.
The trout program needs to be masnged less as a money maker and more for the good of the fishery.Again CT has the potential to create a world class trout fishery with some changes.