Trout stocking is directly tied to DEP finances. Thats the way it has always been and it probably isn't going to change.
I dont know the actual specs but I know that the majority of the fishing licences that are sold in this state will be sold this week. The majority of people that purchase licences, “Put N Takers”, go to one of the trout parks, or heavily stocked streams, for one or two trips and then hang up the rods for the rest of the year.
The DEP could put in less trout and that would leave extra money to spend on other programs but it would also, most likely, result in lost licence revenue next year. (If the Put N Takers don't see any fish caught they probably wont go out the next year)
I look at it this way; The entire holdover trout fishery in the bigger lakes, the trophys we are looking for, is basicly a byproduct of the initial stocking (which is paid for by those “Put N Takers” we all like to bash). Aside from the native/wild streams scattered throuout the state, there really aren't a lot of trout born in CT lakes.
#668005 - 04/18/0704:00 PM
Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
BASSMANinCT
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Registered: 03/19/02
Posts: 1107
Quote:
Originally posted by Capt. Alewife: it' seems to me that opening day exploits the resource. Everyone cashes in except the fisheries themselves. We just need more stict harvest regulations.
i say we follow suit to MASS.
No closed season, with year round stockings .
I have many many many memories of opening day and have fished it everyday since i was child. I'll continue to do so.
What would all those people who just go out that weekend do?? Prolly let the fish spread out and grow to decent size. Cant be a bad thing..
I"m sure many tackle shop owners are not fond of the idea.i can understand there point of view.
We have Trout parks and Harvest areas why not exploit those waters that time of year. Rather than having the masses hit every bit of fishable water in the state, many of whom don't embrace C&R.It would eliminate the carnival atmosphere on many lakes and streams.
Being told when i can start fishing annoys me too.
it alllllllllllllllllll boils down to $$$$$ and who cashes in.This maybe the catch 22 here, the revenues gernarted for licenses that day are where alot of our funds for stockings come from.
i guess you can't bite the hand that feeds you!
There's absolutely no reason the bait shops can not create a DERBY that would replace the OPENING DAY draw of business. They could probably up their revenues that way too. Regular customers would participate. They could purchsae trout to stock for the event. It is very possible to keep the business there, without OPENING DAY!
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#668006 - 04/18/0710:19 PM
Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
Greenglo Bob
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Registered: 01/07/02
Posts: 3632
Loc: New Preston
Well my 2 cents. The present commish is stocking every mud puddle from NW ct. to Bridgeport politically to give all a chance including inner city kids which is a plus to wean their interests into our great sport. The die is cast and thats whats happenin. However , Its my feeling that opening day should be eliminated and 1 weekend set aside for kids only so as to replace the mad scramble. Stock year round like Mass. Increase fees for trophy fish stocking so cormorants can't devour them. Dedicated trout funds untouchable by the general assembly. Our funds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#668007 - 04/19/0710:45 AM
Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
MikeG
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Registered: 01/20/02
Posts: 13088
Loc: NW CT
Posted by Greengo Bob
Quote:
Well my 2 cents. The present commish is stocking every mud puddle from NW ct. to Bridgeport politically to give all a chance including inner city kids which is a plus to wean their interests into our great sport. The die is cast and thats whats happenin. However , Its my feeling that opening day should be eliminated and 1 weekend set aside for kids only so as to replace the mad scramble. Stock year round like Mass. Increase fees for trophy fish stocking so cormorants can't devour them. Dedicated trout funds untouchable by the general assembly. Our funds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#668008 - 04/25/0710:37 PM
Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
OHMYGOD
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Loc: Suffield Ct
What you said Bob!
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Originally posted by mfcllc: its not pissing it away, it is bringing in more revenue to the state! What do you do for a living? I run my own company and you have to spend money to make money!! And even as a kid, who wants to fish for panfish? your just being selfish, like I said before....Join a club!!!
How is stocking mud puddles that are less than 10ft deep generating revenue? Look through the Anglers Guide, then look through the Guide to Ponds and Lakes and see what is written about the depth and summer oxygen leves for trout. Those fish it uncaught will be dead by July if not sooner due to the water temperature. 60% is a huge number. I'm all for taking a kid fishing, but not just to catch trout one day a year. They already have trout parks which are perfect for this purpose and stocked heavily all spring.
Running a company, would you spend 60% of yur profits to make money? Doesn't sound like a recipe for success. The DEP is crying poor and pushing for a saltwater license to generate money to save jobs. Cutting back on stocking unsuitable waters would be a good way to save some money instead of taxing the residents more. Believe me. There are plenty of great streams, ponds and lakes that are suitable for stocking fish that will hold out most of the season until August rolls around.
#668010 - 04/26/0711:54 AM
Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
Jighead
I love re-re-opening day
Registered: 04/05/02
Posts: 11226
I didn't read back to see it this was already mentioned, but last week I heard a radio add for the first time ever. The DEP was reminding all fishermen that opening day was this comming Saturday. It went on to also say that the licenses were available at area bait shops and all Town Halls.
I'm torn - It is obviously a primary source of DEP finding, so I guess the way things are set up financially, it very important that they sell as many liscenses as possible. However the fact that this the "primary source of DEP finding" is a pathetic insight at how the the DEP is funded.
I blame the political process, not the DEP. We should be demanding more and $#*& the General Fund abyss.
#668011 - 04/26/0702:06 PM
Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
MikeG
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Registered: 01/20/02
Posts: 13088
Loc: NW CT
Go do some research on the trout program in CT and see for yourselfs itis designed to generate revenue first and foremost,it is not manged for the good of the fishery .
I have read and studied reports going back as far as 1943 that I could find and the trout program's main intent is to create revenue.
Here is a good place to start by reading the book "A FISHERY SURVEY OF THE LAKES AND PONDS OF CT by The State of fisheries and Game Lake and Pond survey Unit,Report #1 it's only 393 pages and has some great information.
It was published in 1959 so it is old but it still gives insight into what the trout program was designed to accomplish. I am grateful our current DEP has drastically changed it's approach and thinking about the trout program ,but I still feel the trout program could be much better even "world class" if managed differantly. It would also be more cost effective by abolishing opening day and making more changes including the stopping of stocking trout into mud puddles where they will not survive.Put some bass,walleye or other warm water species in these places for anglers,at least these fish would have a chance at surviving.
One report I read in the above mentioned book actually mentions chemically killing all fish in Highland Lake and other surrounding ponds .Than the DEP would stock only trout in Highland creating a place trout fisherman would flock to pumping money into the local economy.The surrounding ponds would be killed off just so the warm water species would not re-invade Highland Lake.Think this sounds crazy.....it was done to Lakeville Lake in the 50's,thats why there are no more lakers and salmon there
It was also the DEP who stocked alewife into are waters(Highland,East Twin,Candlewood) not some bucket bioligest as claimed for years.
Getting rid of opening day and stop stocking warm water ponds with trout would be some good positive changes for the better.It would be a much more productive use of a great resource(trout).
Maybe the state should go back to stocking numerous species like it used to instead of just relying on trout,pike and walleye like it currently does.
CT used to stock lake trout,sockeye salmon ,landlocked atlantic salmon,smelt,large mouth ,small mouth,alewife,golden pond shiners and some other numerous species of fish.
I know this is a ramble but my main point is the trout program was and still is managed to generate revenue and not for the good of the fishery like it should be.
#668012 - 04/26/0703:57 PM
Re: Abolish Opening day of Trout season
BigLee
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Registered: 11/13/05
Posts: 1132
Loc: New Milford CT
I believe some of the returns of the fishing excise tax, 10% on most items that you buy, are distributed based on the number of anglers in the state. The more licenses the more money.
I also believe this money is on top of what is allocated to the DEP's budjet. But for the most part it is not being used to it's fullest. Other fees collected by the DEP just go into the General fund. Even if we were to generate a surplus of funds through licences and other DEP sales there would be no extra money in the DEP budjet. That money just goes to the General fund. That is the way almost everything is setup in this state. The Lottery was supposed to be used for Education. All it did was offset the spending instead of the money coming out of towns or the states budjets it first came from the Lottery then the town or state. It never added money to the bottom line. There were no additional supplies being purchased, the budjet was the budget period and the general fund reaps the excess.
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