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#1234064 - 07/20/10 10:34 AM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: Bomer82]
Dukefan Offline
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Registered: 06/27/04
Posts: 1672
Big surprise! Tuesday morning and they are back... Freakin rapers are relentless... I got a couple of pics yesterday that I will post... going for some video today... I sure hope if I try. and snag a couple that I don't hit the boat or the net.... Freakin scumbags...

They don't call me "hardcore" for nothing!

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#1234095 - 07/20/10 11:59 AM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: Dukefan]
EnCon Police Offline

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Registered: 03/01/04
Posts: 3899
If you want to take photos that's fine, just be careful. I can just about guarantee that they will file a complaint against you if you interfere with them. As it stands right now, they can legally take the bait for personal use.

Sec. 53a-183a. Obstructing or interfering with the lawful taking of wildlife: Class C misdemeanor. (a) No person shall obstruct or interfere with the lawful taking of wildlife by another person at the location where the activity is taking place with intent to prevent such taking.

(b) A person violates this section when he intentionally or knowingly: (1) Drives or disturbs wildlife for the purpose of disrupting the lawful taking of wildlife where another person is engaged in the process of lawfully taking wildlife; (2) blocks, impedes or otherwise harasses another person who is engaged in the process of lawfully taking wildlife; (3) uses natural or artificial visual, aural, olfactory or physical stimuli to affect wildlife behavior in order to hinder or prevent the lawful taking of wildlife; (4) erects barriers with the intent to deny ingress or egress to areas where the lawful taking of wildlife may occur; (5) interjects himself into the line of fire; (6) affects the condition or placement of personal or public property intended for use in the lawful taking of wildlife in order to impair its usefulness or prevent its use; or (7) enters or remains upon private lands without the permission of the owner or his agent, with intent to violate this section.

(c) For the purposes of this section, "taking" and "wildlife" shall be defined as in section 26-1.

(d) Any person who violates any provision of this section shall be guilty of a class C misdemeanor.
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#1234105 - 07/20/10 01:00 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: EnCon Police]
Dukefan Offline
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Registered: 06/27/04
Posts: 1672
Thanks, but taking a photo is not obstructing anything...

They don't call me "hardcore" for nothing!

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#1234129 - 07/20/10 02:25 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: John from Madison CT]
Jayhova Offline
U.S.C.G Captain

Registered: 10/01/04
Posts: 3438
Originally Posted By: John from Madison CT

Allowing this to go on is disgusting.


It surely is John, completely disgusting. A friend of mine called me today saying they were there at 5:22 this morning. I'm not exactly sure what is considered "personal use" but 2-3,000 bunker a day every day seems a bit excessive to me. Doesn't anyone else agree?

I walked into my baitshop yesterday to a conversation on this very same topic. All the locals are aware of these out of state rapists. A lot of people are frustrated and everyone is upset b/c nothing is being done about this. Forget the $10,000 they made last week, it's the fact that our entire summer is going to be effected b/c of these people. A guy in the shop said "I'll be the first to drive through a school of bunker and they're not going to be happy about. Hey, as long as I'm under 5mph then nothing is illegal about it."

This situation is bringing out the worst in people. Sad to say but it's the truth.



Captain Jay Oliveira
http://jayhovacharters.com/

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#1234150 - 07/20/10 03:44 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: Jayhova]
John from Madison CT Online   content

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Registered: 06/28/02
Posts: 15930
Loc: Old Saybrook (formerly Madison...
Incredible how EnCon is burying their heads in the sand over this.

Perhaps there are a few guys keeping 27.99" Bass to be caught.

What's wrong is wrong. Perhaps we need to start a letter writing campaign to the newspapers offering our opinions on how our Tax dollars aren't being used effectively.

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#1234152 - 07/20/10 03:56 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: John from Madison CT]
Murph Offline

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Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3171
Loc: CT. Got a problem with that?
It boils down to 'personal use'.

If there are here all day everyday, then when are they 'personally using' these baits?

If you chase two rabbits, you will not catch either one.

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#1234173 - 07/20/10 04:56 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: Murph]
Tmack9200 Offline

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Registered: 03/29/06
Posts: 11605
Loc: City of Champions...
Guys this is a issue along the entire eastern coast, what you have is a two guys wiping out fish, off the coast of Ma we had foriegn proccessing vessels that remove and processed a school of bunker 2 years ago that was miles long, while doing that they killed thousands of stripers that were caught in their nets.

NJ has proposed a new law as of this year to stop commercial fishing on bait, perhaps you can use parts of this letter to write your own to the Governor, but it seems our government can give 2 sh1ts about this, as nothing is ever done about it!!!


Take a look at this:


Guys: The Assembly and Senate are currently sponsoring Senator Van Drew's Menhaden Bill A2304/S1140 to reduce Bunker netting and or permitted vessels. Below is a letter that can be cut and pasted to Word for printing. If you are sick and tired as most of us are with the Bunker rodeo currently going on and depletion of our resources then print, sign and address the below letter. Feel free to personalize it as you see fit. Time to act is now as the bill is currently being discussed and people are pissed:



June 3, 2010

Governor Chris Christie
Office of the Governor
PO Box 001
Trenton, NJ 08625-001

Senator Frank Lautenberg
Hart Senate Office Building
Suite 324
Washington, DC 20510

Senator Jeff Van Drew
21 North Main Street
Cape May Court House, NJ 08210

Senator Robert Menendez
Hart Senate Office Building
Suite 528
Washington, DC 20510

Director David Chanda
N.J. Division of Fish and Wildlife
P.O. Box 400
Trenton, NJ 08625-0400

Congressman Frank Pallone, Jr.
504 Broadway
Long Branch, NJ 07740

Senator Bob Smith
216 Stelton Road
Suite E-5
Piscataway, NJ 08854

Re: Support For Senator Jeff Van Drew, Menhaden Bill A2304/S1140
Menhaden Purse Seining Regulations & Compliance
Request for Termination of Menhaden Commercial Netting
State of New Jersey Coastal Waters By New Jersey Taxpayers

Dear Elected Officials:

I am writing in support of the Bunker Bill A2304/S1140 currently being sponsored in the Assembly by Mathew Milam, Nelson Albano, Celeste Riley and in the Senate by Jeff Van Drew and Robert Smith.

I am also writing to each of you to place you on notice of the out of control and unregulated commercial purse seining and netting of Menhaden currently being conducted in New Jersey coastal waters, specifically off Ocean and Monmouth counties. Out of state vessels, ships, trucking companies supported by planes and helicopters are netting thousands of tons of Menhaden from New Jersey state waters daily. In just 2 weeks they have wiped out miles upon miles of Menhaden. Our ecosystem cannot support this level of netting. Indiscriminate killing and by catch include right whales, striped bass, weakfish, bluefish, turtles and dolphins. We have been subject to constant harassment from low flying spotter planes and total disregard by reckless netting activities. The public is outraged and the media has been contacted.

As a local recreational fishermen, taxpayer and voter I am personal witness to the devastation caused by these vessels and the negative effects it has on New Jersey recreational fishing, local economies and water quality. I am asking you all to immediately suspend and eliminate the commercial netting of Menhaden in NJ state waters pending an environmental and ecological study. The amount of Menhaden being netted is unregulated and cannot be sustained and will be exhausted by these purse seiners. They are very efficient with their spotter planes, helicopters, 1/5 mile nets, vacuums, transport ships and dozens of 70-90 foot vessels all while being non discriminatory. This occurs Monday-Friday, sun up to sun down. I really question what the state of New Jersey gets out of this? The state permit fee of $200 is minimal but consequences on recreational fishing and water quality are tremendous. New Jersey is allowing out of state vessels, out of state trucking companies, out of state payrolls yielding poor recreational fishing and millions of dollars in lost sales tax revenue from anglers not spending money on motels, restaurants, fuel, tackle, bait, boat purchases, registration fees, food, recreational fishing charters, tolls, insurance, boat maintenance, etc while sacrificing the water quality for the state of New Jersey (Menhaden are huge filter feeders of algae and plankton which is now spiking due to high nitrogen levels from fertilizer run off, also a separate DEP issue). This is a violation of every citizens and anglers rights fishing New Jersey coastal waters.

The issue needs to be addressed ASAP before our waters suffer the same consequences of the Chesapeake Bay. Does the state even know or care where the hundreds of thousands of tons of Menhaden are trucked to or what they are used for? We are told for bait only but no one can be sure of this. Possibly being delivered to Corporations for processing? A single Corporation in Virginia operates 41 company-owned fishing vessels and 32 spotter planes for use in their fishing operations. Spotter planes are used to locate schools of fish and then directing the ships for the final catch with a purse seine net. Does the state care that out of state businesses are profiting from our resources at our expense on so many levels? The State of New Jersey including the citizens are getting ripped off in many ways, plain and simple. Once these vessels deplete our waters they simply move on to another while our Ocean resembles a desert. How can you as our elected officials allow this to occur? Who is profiting from the depletion of our resources and what gives these out of state netters rights to our resources which are owned by us the taxpayers and voters of New Jersey? State resources are not owned by elected officials or by a consortium of unregulated out of state netters. We elected you to office to represent our interests. That clearly is not being done on this issue.

As you can tell the anglers of New Jersey oppose the current management of the Menhaden fishery and the state needs to eliminate the commercial netting of Menhaden now, not next year or next month. Please support and pass the Bunker Bill A2304/S1140 ASAP.

The state is also now contemplating the requirement that recreational saltwater fishermen register and we all anticipate a saltwater license requirement and fee in 2011 or 2012. This will be an insult to us based on the above management policies. As a neighboring state governor has stated, the American public has a right to fish. You can expect stern and collective opposition from the hundreds of thousands NJ saltwater anglers, RFA, SSFF, voters and related sport fishing industries if something is not done to protect New Jersey marine resources ASAP. Specifically, Menhaden which is a staple food source for many migratory game fish of New Jersey while also filtering and purifying millions of gallons of seawater daily.

I also support the Reef Pot Bill and the elimination of all Gill Netting in New Jersey coastal waters which has resulted in the total collapse of our Weakfish population.

Thank you for your consideration. Please address our concerns and represent our interests as taxpayers, anglers and voters living and fishing in the State of NJ. You have a responsibility to protect our state resources for the greater interests of the public, not special interests and need to act now in support of Senator Van Drew's Menhaden Bill A2304/S1140.



Sincerely,
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#1234193 - 07/20/10 06:22 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: DEN]
SoundsFishy Offline

Got Milt?

Registered: 06/26/03
Posts: 8130
Loc: Bpt CT
Can someone please get me their license plate numbers in a PM please...Thanks

I have 6 fishermen that are out of work & will follow them...I'm covering their fuel costs....if they are selling them we will video and then turn the video evidence over to Mass & U.S. tax authorities. I'll bet dollars to donuts they are NOT declaring any money made on these fish to the state & federal governements

Hep me...lordy lordy hep me


Edited by SoundsFishy (07/20/10 06:25 PM)

In Bombings, we blame the Bomber. In Drunk Driving deaths we blame the Driver. In Shootings we Blame the Gun ?? wtf
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#1234202 - 07/20/10 06:41 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: Murph]
Jayhova Offline
U.S.C.G Captain

Registered: 10/01/04
Posts: 3438
Originally Posted By: Murph
It boils down to 'personal use'.

If there are here all day everyday, then when are they 'personally using' these baits?



When I say everyday, I mean every single day. The days they werent there in the AM they surely were there in the PM. They're obviously selling them back up in MA and it's just so frustrating that nothing is being done here. I'm sure the DEP is just as frustrated here as we are.




Captain Jay Oliveira
http://jayhovacharters.com/

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#1234220 - 07/20/10 07:35 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: Jayhova]
Buck Offline

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Registered: 01/17/03
Posts: 11304
Since they are netting in Ct. but transporting to Mass. that becomes interstate commerce and under any Federal laws having to do with bunker, selling bunker, etc.
Also, what are the Mass laws? When you travel to Block Island from Mass to fish and return to Mass your catch has to be legal in Mass. So returning to Mass. with bunker that possessed bunker must conform to Mass. law. Does Mass. have any bunker laws like a limit for individual use, the requirement for a Mass. license, a Mass. commercial netting license to possess over X amount of bait, etc. Find out where they go in Mass. and file a complaint in Mass with all of the location and license plate info. Just some thoughts.
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