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#1234497 - 07/21/10 05:23 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: Jeremiah G]
Buck Offline

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Registered: 01/17/03
Posts: 11304
Seems like Mass. had the same concerns. Below is an article from last year. Maybe what these guys are doing is illegal in Mass.
SoundsFishy, nice piece of work, thanks for taking the initiative.
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DMF proposes new regulations for netters, in inshore waters, even ponds
By Nelson Sigelman
Published: January 15, 2009
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The state Division of Marine Fisheries (DMF) has proposed new regulations that would affect the use of purse seines, surface gillnets, and cast nets in Massachusetts waters for harvesting menhaden, sea herring, and mackerel.

The proposals would affect all in-shore state waters, including Island water bodies such as Menemsha Pond, Cape Poge Bay and Martha's Vineyard's great ponds.

DMF says the regulatory changes will help codify and clarify a slate of various rules and permits that have evolved over time. But some fishermen are concerned that rule changes governing the use of purse seines would have a detrimental effect on important forage species.

The proposed regulations include: a tending requirement for all fishermen fishing surface gillnets to remain within 100 feet of the net at all times; permission for any person to use a cast net for purposes of catching bait species for personal use without a permit; a requirement that any person using a cast net for purposes of obtaining bait for sale to a bait dealer to obtain a commercial fishing permit; and permission for the use of purse seines in open waters for sea herring, mackerel, and menhaden.

Striped bass, a mainstay of Martha's Vineyard recreational and commercial fishery, feed heavily on all three species. Menhaden, also known as bunker and pogies, are one of the more popular and effective baitfish used.

For years, bunker were scarce. But that has changed as schools have returned to many areas including Buzzard's Bay. As a result increasingly fishermen catch bunker for bait, often using a cast net. Bunker is also available in bait shops for sale.

Scott Terry of Cotuit, a former Islander and experienced striped bass commercial fisherman, says the proposed regulations are confusing but demand the attention of recreational and commercial fishermen. He said approval would have devastating consequences.

"These fish can be found in vast schools in open water before seeking refuge in bays and harbors along our coast. Through the use of spotter planes, seiners can wipe these schools out while they are still in open water," said Mr. Terry in an email to The Martha's Vineyard Times. "At a time when menhaden are just beginning to return to Mass waters in any numbers this would be a tragedy with long reaching effects."

Mr. Terry said the baitfish are the primary food source for many valuable species in addition to striped bass -such as bluefish and fluke. He said any increase in seining activity would also result in more striped bass mortality as a result of bycatch. "This is an issue that should unite commercial and recreational fishing interests in our state," he said.

Dan McKiernan, DMF deputy director, said that the proposed rule changes have spawned some degree of misunderstanding. He said there is no change in the current regulations that would liberalize the ability of seiners to operate in open waters.

Mr. McKiernan said there is no evidence that seiners operating in open water are damaging fish stocks. Should that occur it would be addressed, he said.

No new permits will be issued for inshore waters, according to Mr. McKiernan, and Buzzard's Bay, now closed to netting, would remain closed. He also pointed out that one of the state's existing seiners is the main source of bait for tackle shops and provides a service for fishermen.

Mr. McKiernan said that anyone with any concerns is encouraged to read the memorandum that describes the rules changes and attend a public hearing, which are scheduled for6 pm Monday, Jan. 26, at theAnnisquam River Marine Fisheries Station in Gloucester and6 pm Tuesday, Jan. 27, at the Radisson Hotel on Plymouth Harbor.

Comments may be submitted by e-mail (marine.fish@state.ma.us), fax (617-626-1509), or mail (251 Causeway St., Suite 400; Boston, MA 02114) until 3 pm Friday, Jan. 30.

For a complete copy of the proposed regulatory changes go to advisories at mass.gov/marinefisheries.
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#1234503 - 07/21/10 06:00 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: Buck]
Murph Offline

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Registered: 07/16/05
Posts: 3171
Loc: CT. Got a problem with that?
Wow! way to step up!

If you chase two rabbits, you will not catch either one.

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#1234548 - 07/21/10 09:29 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: chris med]
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Registered: 10/01/04
Posts: 3438
Originally Posted By: chris med
It's about doing something, not bitching about it.............

Originally Posted By: SoundsFishy
You guys are all pussies.....back in my day, we would all shut the F up and take care of business.


Ah yes how things have changed since then my friend. The last thing I'd ever do is risk my personal well being over bunker.

The way I was brought up is to report an illegal violation to the proper authorities and they'd take it from there. Unfortunately "they" have their hands tied so it's up to us on what to do now. I opt to let the DEP work matters out and hope they have something planned. If nothing's ever done and they clean out the harbor then my personal view on a lot of things will change. Many others are telling me the very same thing, hopefully we won't be let down.



Captain Jay Oliveira
http://jayhovacharters.com/

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#1234556 - 07/21/10 09:59 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: Jayhova]
chris med Offline

No REDTIDE IN PANAMA

Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 23144
Loc: East Lyme
while this post brought a bunch of useless name calling, it brought attention to it with A LOT OF HEART,..........so it be........We'll see what happens.............:cuffemboys:

NATIONAL MARINE FISHERIES SERVICE,..DESTROYING FISHERMAN AND THEIR FAMILIES SINCE 1978.........
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TEAM SERIOUSFISHING
TEAM RUMSWIZLER
TEAM RED NECK CAMPER TOURS
TEAM "NO GUN ZONE" facepalm
TEAM PANAMA
TEAM GEPSIKCEHEHTEREHW
TEAM Swizzle

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Contact Capt Mike Marro
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As if the colassal middle finger hasn't been jammed up our asses far enough, the NMFS and ASMFC carry on with their daily masterpieces of saving species in peril..........We as recreational anglers serve thanks for all the fine "work"sick you do........
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#1234557 - 07/21/10 09:59 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: chris med]
chris med Offline

No REDTIDE IN PANAMA

Registered: 10/23/05
Posts: 23144
Loc: East Lyme
remember who the REAL problem is <----------------- see avitar

NATIONAL MARINE FISHERIES SERVICE,..DESTROYING FISHERMAN AND THEIR FAMILIES SINCE 1978.........
www.ocearch.org

www.theriverguide.com



TEAM SERIOUSFISHING
TEAM RUMSWIZLER
TEAM RED NECK CAMPER TOURS
TEAM "NO GUN ZONE" facepalm
TEAM PANAMA
TEAM GEPSIKCEHEHTEREHW
TEAM Swizzle

www.joinrfa.com
Contact Capt Mike Marro
Bluefin Charters, Clinton Ct. 203-245-7742
www.bluefincharters.com
As if the colassal middle finger hasn't been jammed up our asses far enough, the NMFS and ASMFC carry on with their daily masterpieces of saving species in peril..........We as recreational anglers serve thanks for all the fine "work"sick you do........
Fishin Factory III
Middletown Ct
860-344-9139
www.fishinfactory3.com
www.jigheadlures.com
www.castlebaits.com





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#1234731 - 07/22/10 01:56 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: chris med]
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Posts: 5696
Ed, Awesome job! No shots fired!!!!
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#1234753 - 07/22/10 03:18 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: SoundsFishy]
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Registered: 06/03/05
Posts: 224
After reading through this whole post it would be interesting to view the video you got. Can you post it without any legal repercussions or liability?
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#1234775 - 07/22/10 04:38 PM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: smayna2]
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Registered: 04/15/02
Posts: 11535
Just a hypothetical question. But if these people had a Bait license, they could just net however much they want, and then sell it legally to any state?

I admit Im a little confused about why people would go through all that effort to net the bait. Generally there are places where you can just buy the fresh bunker dirt cheap. For example, ark bait in swansea, a purse seiner, will hand you a 100-200lb tote of bunker fresh off the boat for $50 and they go out every few nights.. When you consider the gas and stuff just to drive whereever, nevermind throwing a net all day, i dunno, just seems like something only kids would do.

I admit I love fresh bunker. Ive driven to ends of the earth for it if I cant find it myself. I admit if i can get fresh bait, there are times i have done trips when i would have otherwise not.. In many ways, it somewhat of a service to fishermen if people can legally aquire fresh bunker and then make it avaialble to others. Of course, if these youngsters are taking all the bunker from one near shore area where there is little migration, it hurts the local fishing.


Edited by jimmy (07/22/10 04:46 PM)
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#1235372 - 07/25/10 04:13 AM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: jimmy]
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Posts: 31976
Bunker raids by Massachusetts boats concerns DEP
Charles Walsh, Correspondent
Published: 07:07 p.m., Saturday, July 24, 2010

It was just about 10 years ago that former state Senator George "Doc" Gunther of Stratford finally suceeded in getting a law passed that banned commercial menhaden netters like Virginia-based Omega Protein from bringing their industrial-strength boats and massive purse seine nets into the Long Island Sound.

Since menhaden is probably the favorite food of striped bass and bluefish, it was a great victory for recreational anglers. But now a new battle over commercial menhaden netting, albeit on a smaller scale, is being played out.

Almost every day this summer, outboard-powered boats with Massachusetts registry numbers cruise around Black Rock harbor. Manned by two or three men, the boats use portable sonar to locate a bunk school in the harbor. Then, large 15-foot diameter-weighted cast nets are expertly tossed over the schools. When the nets are pulled in, more often than not they are full to overflowing with thrashing menhaden, known locally, of course, as bunker.

Estimates vary as to how many bunkers a single boat takes in a few hours of netting. Some say each boat takes 1,000 of the oily forage fish; others say it is closer to 4,000.

Whatever the actual number, chances are every one of those fish was taken illegally.

Once the storage lockers are full, the fish are iced and trailered to Massachusetts, where the bunker is sold to bait shops from Cape Cod to Cape Ann.

Thanks to that 2000 ban on the commercial large-scale purse seine netting, the summer population of bunker in Long Island Sound has stabilized, with small harbors like Black Rock's holding resident schools through the hot months. This contrasts with Massachusetts waters, where once-plentiful bunker schools are scarcer than porgies at a shark convention.

So where do the commercial Bay State netters come for their supply of bunker? Connecticut. Where else? Heck, it's just a one- or two-hour ride to those bunker-heavy Connecticut harbors.

The constant presence of the Massachusetts bunker boats has long annoyed local recreational fishermen, who use smaller cast nets to take a few bunker in the harbors for their daily trips in pursuit of bass and blues. Connecticut residents who sell bunker to local bait shops must have purchased a state license. These fishermen and bait shop owners fear that the huge numbers of bunker the Mass boats strip out of the harbors every day will decimate the finite number of bunker. There is some anecdotal evidence that it's already starting to happen. None of the Massachusetts netters appear to have bought state licenses.

The issue came to a head at the recent hearing on the proposed lobster-fishing ban at the Fayerweather Yacht Club in Black Rock, when local recreational fishermen cornered Dave Simpson, head of the Connecticut Department of Environmental Protection's Marine Division. The locals urged Simpson to use emergency powers to shut down the out-of-state bunker operations. Simpson said by law, such emergency action is limited to dangerous situations that threaten human life.

A few threats of violence against the Massachusetts netter were reportedly posted on free-for-all Connecticut Internet fishing forums.

Since that session, DEP wardens have visited the Black Rock to watch the Massachusetts boats in action. A state commercial license is required to sell bunker or any fish caught in Connecticut waters. So far, none of the unlicensed Massachusetts netters have been arrested, because there is no proof they are actually selling their catch. What else someone would do with a few thousand smelly baitfishes is hard to imagine.

Simpson said Friday that while he worries that setting a creel limit on bunker may be "over-regulation," the package of marine regulations he will present to the next session of the State Legislature will include a maximum limit on the number of bunker that can be taken in a single day by any individual, recreational or commercial.

"The big question," he said, "is just what should that limit be? Is it 100 bunkers? Fifty bunkers? And what about peanut bunker? There are a lot of unanswered questions."

The questions will be addressed in a series of public hearings to be conducted before the Legislature votes on the regulations next spring. Those hearings could be held some time this fall or winter.

Contact Charles Walsh at cwalsh@ctpost.com
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#1235374 - 07/25/10 04:19 AM Re: out of state commercial bunker poachers [Re: EnCon Police]
Mitch P. Offline



Registered: 05/04/01
Posts: 31976
Originally Posted By: EnCon Police
I did talk to the Director of Marine Fisheries about this issue yesterday. They are going to look into the possibility of a creel limit on bait for personal use(for example, 50 or 100 in possession)in the upcoming regulation package. This would still allow recreational fishermen to catch bait for personal use, but hopefully stop the people like the ones you guys are complaining about.


This seems like the best solution to this mess.
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