I hear Ya Huskybass, I don't think the 15/8 was fortunate enough to be released. but through the ICE gives the angler the advantage I'd say even though I've never done it. My personal best was a 4+ at messerschmitts back in 97 and that was just Luck, Pitchin to isolated pads. I thought that was pretty good only being about 2yrs.+ after the damn repair.